Braid's colour. An ignorance or an irony, or both?

From the existance of the first braided line, now all too soon it’s almost decades since. And assortments of braids of all colours, makes and bling bling packaging lining on the shelves of tackle shop are just mere common sight these days

However, one thing still hits me since the day i began using braided line… Is the colour practical? Firstly, braid are not mono, and so it’s not just a single strand of structure which can be produced with colour distributed almost equilibrum in the entire stretch. Braid as everyone knows, and seen, are build by countless of number of single strands of fibres bind together to form the line and it’s given built n diameter. So unless u colour each and every tiny strand of those fibre, and lets not touch about the later translucent braids. May i question how well and suitable to colour coat the outer layer of those minute fibres? Because so far i cannot find a single braid tat colour would last even less than 10 trip… while i guess more would agree with tat. they fade quicker than u could even get a fish on it sometimes. So wat’s the fuss and hype about their technology tat can keep colour intact la, colour lock inside la, cannot fade one la, fade slower than other competitor la… but the point is, they still and will and definitely fade! So y take angler for a ride n treat us like genuiebabi to see if the colour come off or not?

Second. Wat’s the cost of colouring braid n rnd for colouring braid? And another even much simpler question, is a braid with its original colour without any colouring wat so ever is gonna perform any worst than it’s coloured counterpart? Do i get less fish without the colour? Is it too difficult for the manufacturer not to take tat extra step and spend more money on deliberately disfigure the appearance of the line and charge us more for it later… While i’m not saying braid shouldnt come with colour but all i’m suggesting is could braids from every brand and make and names etc could just make one colour stated as ‘original’ pls, i think most could do without the colour and its added ‘value’ of the price tag. While the coloured ones can be sold to those tat who prefer blings, show off kakis and the rich. However colour do hav its function as well, such as the tracer braid which uses of different colour in consequence of differing length are some remarkable feature which are undeniable

Lastly, lets take away those translucent braid once again thank you. Ppl often claim tat this colour can do this or tat and vice versa, n the most intiguing one is ofcos being invisible to the fish. Let say red, yup cannot deny tat they ‘disappear’ under lil distance under the surface. And so more fish gonna bite tat? As mention earlier, they cant keep their colour like mono and so can the red last? Because i’m virtually fishing with ‘pink’ colour line most of the time, not that i’m using Fireline Pink but because all my red lines faded into pink. And my subsequence answer is, u guess it, how far does the colour pink fade underwater??? And by now, my braid which cost almost 10 times more than mono have lost its colour, and does tat means i wont be catchin any fish now? if so why is braid, which have much longer shelf live than mono good for then? This, bring us to my very first question again, is the colouring braid pratical?

Besides, all the colour tat came out(fade), will drip all over the place. Ur shirt, ur thumb, ur jacket, ur boat, ur rod, ur reel, ur GUIDE, YOUR OWN ENVIRONMENT! I seriously think the colour of nature availble to us is more than enough, so dun think v need to spend more to colour it anymore hehe. Besides these faded colours are more than nuisance. U touch anything after thumbing these braid will all turn the same colour, are they even environmental friendly or safe to consume anyways? Then ur guides, they stuck on them and make everything so ugly, but main issue is do they hav any ill effect on guides such as corrosion. Then comes the machine tat holds the braid and their lousy colour. Everytime casting will turn the reel into other colour, but main issue is they stuck into moving parts like level wind and other small crevices. Plus once they dried they create a solid particle that can hamper casting distance to a certain extend, do u think?

So what’s your say on this particular subject ladies and gentlemen? Should v still be paying to be experimental material? should non-coloured braid be made available? any suggestion is welcomed… thanks

Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you

TJS - agree with you - have yet to find a brand where the color will last for more than 10 trips - less if I am casting continuously for haruans, etc.

With my bad eyesight - I use yellow - red is no good for me.

As to the " natural " - use your braids hard for a month - most will graduate to " original color " [:D]

I even tried " Crystal " - feels like fishing with a thin wire, and the braid sounds weird. Not an answer - no longer use it.

TJS,
Try spray your braid line with paint…might last longer than 10 trips[:D][:D][:D]
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All dye colored braided lines will fade after some time. My observation:
dark green becomes lighter green
red becomes light red
blue becomes light blue
black becomes gray
white becomes light brownish
yellow becomes white

The above change of colors have no effect in catching more or less fish as long as the strength is maintained.

The best colors to choose is the light gray dyneema, like the PALLADIUM, dull green xzoga or the green power pro.

Here is a site where research is made on dyneema braids:
http://www.ockert.net/main/index.php?id=638,0,0,1,0,0

Hope it helps.


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Here are some ‘facts’ gleaned from one website.

According to “A Brief History of Braids
Edited by Nick Caine”
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The fibres of GSPE polymer are white in colour but because of their chemistry they can’t be dyed in the same way that nylon can, so the manufacturers add surface coatings and pigments to their braids to make them green, grey or other colours. These colours are only temporary because, despite some claims, the coatings soon wear-off in use…
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(Why so expensive)
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From a manufacturing aspect, weaving these GSPE braids is a very slow process and uses lots of factory ‘machine hours’ — it can take up to 8 hours to produce 100yds of braid! This is why braids tend to be expensive.
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(Cheaper “braid”)
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To counter-act the understandable price-resistance to the original cost of true braids, several manufacturers developed a faster manufacturing technique in which the unbraided microfilaments of GSPE are either losely woven and then heated to fuse the filaments together or sleeved in a thermoplastic resin. These fusion or sleeving porcesses holds the the filaments together rather than braiding them, and hence the name Fusion line.
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My take on colour:

Colours like yellow/red allow me to see where my line is (pond fishing); For sea fishing (out on a boat) colour does not matter (jigging, popping, bottom).

The website suggested by Uncle Thomas is also very informative.

The line that you can see is the line that you can control, so line visibility to human eyes is also visible to fishes ? With wind-on fluoro carbon leaders [shock leader] joined to the bright colored mainline with reduce the visibility. Fly lines are thick and brightly colored, but with the clear mono shock leader and the thin tippet, the fly fishers are catching fish, this is a proven fact for others to follow.


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Agreed Thomas - that is why I also use a mono leader almost all times ( gives a bit of stretch too ) - but have now started to use the " Camo " fine lines direct to the hook as well.

By accident, I noticed that they sometimes blend in very well with the bottom - even better than mono ! So what is the problem ? … difficult for me to see the above water part - but there are many ways to alleviate the problem - bait runner reels being the more expensive option, and a piece of rubber band or stone being the cheapest. No too much of a problem when playing with lures - you get the feel, as well as the small " V " in the water.

So coming back to color - yes, I for one need it because of my eyesight … and yes, I do hope that somebody comes up with a color fast yellow soon [:p]

For the time being there is no fast colored braides, all fade after a few trips. There is one mono which is in bright fluorescent green [impregnated], so is 100% fast color, very tough, ranging from 6 to 50lb. Look for AWA-SHIMA CARPHOLIC, BUT WATCH OUT, THE LINE IS MUCH OVER RATED, e.g 20lb has the diameter of only 0.28mm [a marketing gimmick] Under Maxima or Berkley,
the 20lb line has a diameter of 0.40mm, therefore I use the 20lb as 10lb.


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but the problem i highlight is, why not just leave it white, blank colour tat they are originally… and waste their time n money(ours too) to put something temporary n cosmetic purpose n claim tat wont fade etc to fool us anglers?

Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you

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Originally posted by Tan Jiin Sheng
but the problem i highlight is, why not just leave it white, blank colour tat they are originally... and waste their time n money(ours too) to put something temporary n cosmetic purpose n claim tat wont fade etc to fool us anglers?

Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you


[:D][:D][:D] Colors catch the anglers first, just like the multicolor lures that catch the anglers first, the anglers choose the colors they like regardless of catching fish or not. This is marketing strategy, the importers just follow like monkey see monkey do, they want the manufacturers to do the colored lines whether they have scientific research or not, anglers also follow blindly but get wiser when the dye clings to your fingers, gloves and guides. When the buying stops as I can predict, the durable colors will still be the gray, the dull green and the natural color of light brown which come from the white after a day of fishing.


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" Look for AWA-SHIMA CARPHOLIC,… "

The mono I was using a few years ago was made by OKAMOTO - Super X-EX. The 12 lb was .28mm and I quite enjoyed using it for many months in Uncle Chows pond - a small pond, with big patins !

Coming back to the braids - yes, I can see whites, but the line " vanishes " when the sun hits the water at an angle. That is when red becomes very useful.

Not too sure about whether colored braids are just a gimmick - but to me, they do help me keep my eyes on my line.

The intervally multi-colored line is usefull for jigging , it gives the angler information how much line has come out from the reel thus the approximate depth the jig is .

Jon .

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i’ve been using power pro moss green… used it bout twenty times… colour is fading but catch rate is still the same… agree wit TJS that this colour thing is a big waste of time and money… but lets face it, it sure looks cooler than the colourless lines;)… in my humble opinion the number one reason for coloured lines is simple… just like our goal is to catch fish, a tackle company’s goal is to catch us…

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Originally posted by thomas lee
All dye colored braided lines will fade after some time. My observation: dark green becomes lighter green red becomes light red blue becomes light blue black becomes gray white becomes light brownish yellow becomes white


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Uncle Thomas, where can get blue colour braid? What brand is it..? i never seen it yet..?

I’m needing it for cosmetic purposes… [:D]

And is there brown color braid like Maxima Chameleon colour available? I need it to match it with my gold spinning reel…[:D] Bling ! Bling! [:D]

wow.. interesting topic TJS. i didn’t know there was such a thing as translucent braid until i read your post. hahaha…

i agree with u totally on the extra cost for colour on braided line, i have no preference to wat colour the braid is as long as it’s good

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The SEALAND ROYAL BLUE is available in most retail shops. I haven’t come across any dark brown colored braid like the Maxima.


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Thank you Uncle Thomas for the tip… :smiley:
Realy appreciate it… :smiley:

i guess coloured braids have their pros too but, just like TJS, i hate how the colours get on the reels and the rod guides.
that’s why i tend to prefer good mono lines for my more aesthetically valued reels… hehe.

ppl, pls share any n all info on colourless braided or fused line that u know of.
would definitely appreciate it. thx.

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Originally posted by nyamaoan ppl, pls share any n all info on colourless braided or fused line that u know of. would definitely appreciate it. thx.

Colorless Braid - Take new line [watever color]…dip into water tat are premix with bleach [clorox]…Voila…colorless braid

Fused line - Take new braid and mono line. Unspool both line and mixe well together. Put mixed lines into oven or microwave…bake for 5 mins…presto…Fused line</font id=“purple”>
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i like bright lines…bright yellow like the stren braids…

i also like multicolored PE lines for jigging… gives me an idea how deep the waters are.

i also like bright red lines…like the Spiderwire Code red… matches my setup

basically, i buy what works for me, what suits my taste… regardless of the colour, i still do get fish. just make sure u have enough leader in front. if fishes were line shy, then explain how brightly coloured fly lines still catch fish. let’s get that idea out of our heads.

but there’s one thing that’s a proven fact. NEVER use bright yellow/chartreuse colored line in buntal-infested waters. confim kena bite putus… heheheh

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