Dear Fellow Fishers,
I have not used a lip grip for landing fish. So I am totally ignorant about it. But I heard that -
But the important thing is, does it really grip well and would prevent a struggling fish from getting slipped away? Or is the grip good for certain species of fishes only?
Nice to hear from you.
For the last question… depends on how much u pay for it lorr…
But usually they perform well for all 3 tat u mentioned provided tat one have the responsibility and love for the fish they wanted to release… it’s not bout the tool sometimes it;s more bout the person who uses the tool.
For CnR purpose the ones with swiveling grip should be used to minimize injury, the solid ones will actually inflict more wounds to the fish if the fish struggle hard, causing the mouth to tear, which defeats the purpose of proper CnR. Using a mesh net will be an alternatively safe and less harmful way to land fish
However i use to hav a small pocket grip tat doesnt hold fish well… tat’s about it. The pioneer grip work fantastic which is much bigger, which means heavier and more hassle. Now tat i’m using Boga 15lb grip i hav no complaint at all, it’s small, quite light, comes with swiveling grip, weighting scale up to 15lb, durable and reliable. It’ll always be with me whenever and wherever i fish, but tat comes with a price too, ofcourse.
Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you
i bet this article will stir up ekwong from his slumber…hhehehe
there are 2 schools of thought. one advocates the use of lip grips, one deters it and prefers nets. depending on how and why u use is, both are safe enough in proper hands.
good grips grip well, poorly made ones may slip. good ones may grip so well that if the fish escapes with the grip, chances are the fish may die because the grip is still attached to it!
if u lip grip the fish in the water, and lift up with the other palm under its belly, that will minimize any further trauma to the fish.
if u hang it vertically, it will cause unnecessary harm to the fish, more so if it is still struggling.
when releasing fish, also place the palm under its belly before disengaging the lipgrip. gently thrust the fish forwards and off it goes.
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Mesa thinks, nothing beats a landing net (to land fish).
Trying to “lip-grip” a fish in order to land it might be dangerous (the process itself).
After the fish has been landed, the use of a lip grip (as a tool) has the advantages.
Like what TJS said, it’s more about the person, and how one uses the tool.
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Originally posted by Tan Jiin Sheng
For the last question... depends on how much u pay for it lorr...But usually they perform well for all 3 tat u mentioned provided tat one have the responsibility and love for the fish they wanted to release… it’s not bout the tool sometimes it;s more bout the person who uses the tool.
For CnR purpose the ones with swiveling grip should be used to minimize injury, the solid ones will actually inflict more wounds to the fish if the fish struggle hard, causing the mouth to tear, which defeats the purpose of proper CnR. Using a mesh net will be an alternatively safe and less harmful way to land fish
However i use to hav a small pocket grip tat doesnt hold fish well… tat’s about it. The pioneer grip work fantastic which is much bigger, which means heavier and more hassle. Now tat i’m using Boga 15lb grip i hav no complaint at all, it’s small, quite light, comes with swiveling grip, weighting scale up to 15lb, durable and reliable. It’ll always be with me whenever and wherever i fish, but tat comes with a price too, ofcourse.
Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you
Boga grip is the most expensive grip. May burn a hole in the pocket. If once grip is applied and the fish will have no means to slip away, I think it is well worth it. Because a struggling fish with a hook in it is a danger to the one trying to unhook it.
While we care about the fish, it is suggested if you dont want to harm any fish, then dont go fishing. Any form of distrubing the fish is an infringement to the fish.
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Originally posted by FiR3 TiG3R
i bet this article will stir up ekwong from his slumber...hhehehethere are 2 schools of thought. one advocates the use of lip grips, one deters it and prefers nets. depending on how and why u use is, both are safe enough in proper hands.
good grips grip well, poorly made ones may slip. good ones may grip so well that if the fish escapes with the grip, chances are the fish may die because the grip is still attached to it!
if u lip grip the fish in the water, and lift up with the other palm under its belly, that will minimize any further trauma to the fish.
if u hang it vertically, it will cause unnecessary harm to the fish, more so if it is still struggling.
when releasing fish, also place the palm under its belly before disengaging the lipgrip. gently thrust the fish forwards and off it goes.
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FT, thanks for pointing out.
I do realise that in a number of discussions some forumers do go out of the topics and give sermons to others. Hahahaha… I think they dont do it intentionally.
The question posted is whether the grip does its job effectively.
Yes, especially the revolving ones do … but always remember what FT said … use your palm to support the belly.
As for EK, no lah … he will never be convinced … not at least for this weekend. He will be going after Pla Buks in Bangkok - and it will be hilarious just seeing him try ! [:D]
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Originally posted by minnow
Mesa thinks, nothing beats a landing net (to land fish). Trying to "lip-grip" a fish in order to land it might be dangerous (the process itself).After the fish has been landed, the use of a lip grip (as a tool) has the advantages.
Like what TJS said, it’s more about the person, and how one uses the tool.
Minnow, can you let us know why it is dangerous?
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Originally posted by Mike
Yes, especially the revolving ones do ... but always remember what FT said ... use your palm to support the belly.As for EK, no lah … he will never be convinced … not at least for this weekend. He will be going after Pla Buks in Bangkok - and it will be hilarious just seeing him try ! [:D]
I agree with both FT and you. It would appear that the fish is helplessly being held up that way - struggling and dangling in pain in mid air. It appears to be cruel.
EKWongis a friend of mine. here in MFN, we’re all friends(except for one slug, hehehe). everyone’s learning from somebody. there’s not one single person who can claim that he knows it all. we all have our own views based on the things we learn along the way.
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back to the topic, i believe the Boga is really worth every hard-earned penny. i have used countless low to medium end grips and find them lacking in many ways. the boga is on my next ‘to-buy’ list for sure when i have saved enough. it costs a reel u know. [:D]
the revolving head is a good contraption. the built-in scale is useful (accuracy give n take). the built is sturdy. just wish it’d float. hahahahha…
safety when lipping applies to fishes we only choose to release. a well made grip like the boga, for me, is safe enough for the fish. if u plan to keep the fish but want to navigate the head away from your fingers in a photoshoot, then a lipgrip is useful enough.
there are some Japanese aluminium grips like the Oceangrip from Studio Ocean Mark and lookalikes around. those flashy grips do liven up some pics though, but for me, not that safe for fishes we intend to release.
the Rapala Lock’n Weigh series are great as well. a bit pricey but nonetheless solidly built.
the Berkley TEC pistol grip lipper is also well built for the price point. i’m using this currently. some people i know have some problems with it, like the grip opening in a struggling fish. i believe it’s due to the narrow lipper that may twist & give way, and the ratchet at the trigger giving way. so far, mine is still good after lipping tenggiris & other toothy quarry.
a good topic here. hope we can populate this thread with constructive posts, and i’m putting this as ‘sticky’.
keep posting guys, thanks.
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FT,
Thank you for the comprehensive and informative introduction to various lip grips available.
In line with your suggestion, I have amendeded the topic to include “safety to fish and handler” in order to enlarge the scope of discussion. My original topic is only about the effectiveness of lip grip as a means of holding a fish. As I know a number of anglers got themselves hooked by a strugging fish. A lip grip would be a useful tool to hold the fish steady while the hook is being removed.
Yes, I learn a lot from the forum. Sometimes we are so engrossed and got oursleves carried away in a discussion that we do go astray. No offence to anyone intended.
Talking about the safety aspect of Lip Grips - I do wish they had been available years ago when we were using a twin hook rig ( one hook put through the eye of another hook for haruan / bujok / toman, with a frog / equivalent bait )
One of the hooks would quite often hang exposed after landing - and the fellas are slippery - one slip of the fish from your palm and you run a very real risk of getting the free hanging hook deeply embedded in the web of your hand.
A Lip Grip would have helped avoid this - as it is, my pal still has a mark on both sides of his palm where I had to force the clipped off hook right through ! He recovered after a few cold ones, but I was feeling wobbly for a few hours after wards.
a good addition to lip grips would be ‘jaw openers’ for them toothy buggers like haruan & toman. basically a heavy-gauge wire bent in such a way that when placed in the mouth of the fish, will keep the jaws open & allow us to perform minor surgery/lure retrieval.
back to topic of lip grips v/s nets… here’s a topic from gen. disc from previously.
http://www.fishing.net.my/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18129&SearchTerms=lip+grip
http://www.fishing.net.my/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16012&SearchTerms=lip+grip
http://www.fishing.net.my/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16171&SearchTerms=lip+grip
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Hi Zuju,
On “why it might be dangerous”, it is like what Mike posted.
Imagine attempting to “lip-grip” a fish to land it - we cannot be certain that the fish will “obey”.
What if it decides to thrash around or decide to go for one more run?
Your line might snap, rod might break, risk of hook being overthrown ending up at unwanted places (one’s palm) etc etc etc…
The possible mishaps can’t be predicted.
Which is why using a landing net would be a better way to land the fish (I’m not saying it is the “only” way either).
And then use the lip grip to grab hold of the fish (with hand supporting the belly) for photo taking, removing the hooks, C&R process and the likes.
Yo minnow…mesa think the same as well.
Had experience many time helping friend landing a fish with their boga(too expensive, i don’t own any).hose toman and sebarau trashes and didn’t open up their mouth!
So i opt for the method of hand supporting the back-belly side-they got dead stiff i presto!
Lost some big one to fishing nets as well; the lure got tangle to nets etc…so they are bad and good about nets vs grip.
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If the fish refuses to open its mouth, the Boga lipgrip is rendered useless!
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Originally posted by zuju
If the fish refuses to open its mouth, the Boga lipgrip is rendered useless!
Yup…
Tat’s it if u wanna hook only one side of the mouth tho…
Tat’s y use lure easier in this case so tat more often than not the fish mouth can be pry open easily cos got exposed lip
Btw i did use another method and find it perform equally well on boga… It’s to lock both upper and lower lip of the fish if they refuse to open their mouth. Try it on haruans and cichild find them to work very well for those kinda lip, i guess most other fish hav similar mouth pattern, cept maybe for keli la… anyway keli always open their mouth one so no worries la hahahahhaha
Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you
Have just come back from Boon Mah in Thailand where the siakaps are in the region of 6 - 10 kg. Our guide was using an economically priced " Seahawk " lip grip with no problems despite the size ( and power ) of the fish.
Will buy one this week end.[:)]
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Originally posted by Mike
Have just come back from Boon Mah in Thailand where the siakaps are in the region of 6 - 10 kg. Our guide was using an economically priced " Seahawk " lip grip with no problems despite the size ( and power ) of the fish.Will buy one this week end.[:)]
Mike,
Will be glad to hear more about it from you.
The shop had the PIONEER, the EXORI and the SURECATCH. The Berkley costs double, but was out of stock.
An across the counter test demonstrated that 2 of the above had very significant grips - while the third would have been better off for goldfish.
Have a close look - and try to get a test done in order to convince yourselves which is which.[:)]