This is crazy! Just saw this on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0fES1sfBRE&NR=1
Amazing!!! [:)]
no la… that is a basic double hauling. hv you seen joan wulff doing it @midcurrrent.com? you also can do it but dont forget to wear gloves. calar nanti…
rod is still important. am i right? ok, since you hv started this topic i would like to share something. i asked many fly fishers</font id=“red”> but no ones could give me a detail</font id=“red”> answer.
My question was:
“can i use 6wt line for 7wt rod?”
Somebody answered:
“is better to use 7wt or 8wt line for 7wt rod…”[?][?]
the other question was:
“why i can get better distance by using 6wt line with 8wt rod?”
so many answer until i pening…[:(][:(]
i was trying to get the answer by myself. then i started rojak 5/6/7/8wt line with 5/6/7/8wt rod. The experience i got from the experiment was not satisfying me until i read an article by Lefty Kreh.
http://www.flymartonline.com/article14.html
Comments please…
Wa lagi pening bro!!!
I am by far am not an expert on fly fishing, in fact I could hardly cast 30ft of lines.
It is to my understanding that a 7wt rod (and you may take this rating printed on the rod with a pinch of salt) is “designed” to cast a 7wt line. If you do use a lighter line, say 5wt or 6wt, technically there would not be sufficient weight to the line for its designed distance.
A similarity you may try is that if you cast a 7g lure on your standard spinning rod, there would a distance you may record. Then try casting a 14g lure of the same design on the same rod set. You would probably find that you could get better distance with the heavier lure than the lighter lure. Generally, the flyline has the weight of the line as its casting weight.
Flyrod are designed and built to take advantage of this. A 7wt rod is to cast its best distance on a 7wt line. Some rods may work better on a 8wt line but that is not always the case. On the same breath, some 7wt rods will work good on 6wt line but generally most do not.
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Originally posted by ekwong
I am by far am not an expert on fly fishing, in fact I could hardly cast 30ft of lines.It is to my understanding that a 7wt rod (and you may take this rating printed on the rod with a pinch of salt) is “designed” to cast a 7wt line. If you do use a lighter line, say 5wt or 6wt, technically there would not be sufficient weight to the line for its designed distance.
A similarity you may try is that if you cast a 7g lure on your standard spinning rod, there would a distance you may record. Then try casting a 14g lure of the same design on the same rod set. You would probably find that you could get better distance with the heavier lure than the lighter lure. Generally, the flyline has the weight of the line as its casting weight.
Flyrod are designed and built to take advantage of this. A 7wt rod is to cast its best distance on a 7wt line. Some rods may work better on a 8wt line but that is not always the case. On the same breath, some 7wt rods will work good on 6wt line but generally most do not.
Thank you for your comments..
In my understanding, spining is diff with fly casting. By spining/baitcasting, we are tying to cast a lure but in fly casting, we are casting the fly line & the fly(lure) goes along like a passenger. In order to load the fly rod, we can increase the speed or extend a little more line out side the rod tip but of coz we need more space for backcast. (pls correct me if im wrong)
"If you switch to a lighter line, you may not have enough weight</font id=“red”> outside the rod tip to cause the rod to load or flex properly, if you hold the normal amount of line outside the rod during casting. But if you extend this lighter line </font id=“red”> about 10 feet or a little more outside the rod than you normally would for this cast under calm conditions, you can cast a greater distance into the wind. By extending the additional amount of lighter line outside the rod, you cause it to flex as if you were false casting the normal length of the recommended line size.
Since the rod is now flexing properly, it will deliver tight loops, but the lighter line is thinner. This means that there will be less air resistance encountered on the cast.
If you are forced to cast a longer distance into the wind, switch to one size lighter line and extend a little more line outside the rod tip than you normally would. This means, of course, that you need to be able to handle a longer line during false casting. But the line that is lighter than the rod calls for will let you cast farther into the breeze."
- Lefty Kreh</font id=“green”>
I never try this in a windy condition. maybe only experts can to do it properly. At my level, i will always use the same designated rod & line weight & better dont cast during windy condition. takut sangkut telinga…[:D][:D][:D]
Thanks again bro for your comments…[:)][:)]
I’m also looking for information abt med, mod fast & fast action fly rod… I really hope if pak amin can join this topic but he is still busy wt his bones @maldives right now..[:(][:(]
Newbie…[:D][:D][:D]
Coming back to the topic, if you can cast and fish without using a rod then habih cita… Whatever weight also nehmind..
Seriously, I think holding more lines in the air does not necessary increase loading on the rod because it will be depending on the design of line. If you have a line with only 30 foot belly, whatever extra running line you hold in the air may not be significant enough to increase loading. On the other hand if you have a double taper line, it may help to increase loading by holding more line in the air.
Besides that I think most fast action and medium action rods nowadays are underrated. Holding more line will not help much to increase loading on this rods. Have you guys came across rods that are rated as 5wt but have power rating of 7wt rod? Under line these rods is strictly a no no. Me think only la…
So the whole under line or over line your rod issue will be very much depending on the design of your rod and line. It is a very subjective issue. How can we pin point the ‘right way’ when there are constant arguments on how rod and line should be rated among line and rod designers. Google comments about the AFTMA you’ll know what I mean. In a nutshell the AFTMA rating is a standard that everybody follows but it does not really matters anymore. Just like that those ISO 9000ish standards.
My 2 cents worth…
I totally 100% agree wt you Novice. this issue is very subjective. I got some info fr the net..
should read this:</font id=“red”>
http://www.common-cents.info/aftma.pdf
just a guideline of AFTMA std:
http://www.flyfishinginformation.net/AFTMA.html
Fly Fishing with Doug Macnair:
http://www.activeangler.com/flyfishing-articles/macnair-rods3.shtml
The rod manufacturers design rods for the average person to use under average fishing conditions. If the rod is rated 5wt, then using 5wt line is recommended under average fishing situation. for diff rod manufacturers, action rods, casting style and fishing skills are still subjective. i think, we should try diff types/weight of lines & decide which is the most suitable for our rods…[:D][:D]
Does anyone know about dual rates rod?
5/6wt as an example, the dual rating usually means the rod does best with a 5-weight double-taper (DT-5F) line or a 6-weight (WF-6F) line.[:)][:)]
If memory serves me still, the AFTMA standard is based on the weight of the first 30 ft. of the fly line, whether WF or DT. …so in theory, with 30 ft. of line outside the rod tip, a 5 wt. line will load best when used with a 5 wt. rated rod. This combination should also (when cast well) give you the tightest loop and best distance…but there are also times when this standard is varied, as when you need to load a short line when fishing in restricted areas (small stream), where you can overline the rod… like using a 4 wt. line on a 3 wt. rod.
Like many experianced fishos recommend, try the rod with one or two line weights above n below to see which line wt. you cast comfortably with, for the type of fishing you do. This gives you the confidence and maximises the casting pleasure.
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Hi,
If the basic question is can or cannot, then I suggest the answer is give it a try lah bro. If I’m not mistaken, the AFTMA standard has some ‘allowance’ for the plus minus of the line weight also. And more importantly (ok, ok, this is just my beginner opinion) the weights are just a guideline.
Personally I’ve tried both overlining and underlining. They both have their applications. And they both have their ‘normal’ fishing conditions (e.g. when you mistakenly bring a 7wt line and you only have a 5 wt rod. Suddenly there is a fish feeding frenzy. So, it is NORMAL that you will put the line on and fish, right? hehehe).
Enjoy the fishing, the equipment are bonus lah
-Pellet Fly-
To all forumers,
There was a mistake in my 1st post in this thread. Pls apologise me… i didnt mean to underestimate people. some people misunderstood about my writing (which was my fault). All thier answers were PERFECTLY</font id=“blue”> suitable for me as a beginer. I was so detail & keep doing my homework until i found an article by Lefty Kreh & post it in this thread. the article is explaining in detail all the answers above.
the purpose i join MFN is to get more friends, infos & knowledge specialy in fly fishing. then, i find “Flyfishing” in “English Discussion” thread is one of an active thread for all fly fishers in this country. my english is not good & sometimes i use broken english + wrong words.
To all sifus who know me, once again pls apologise me… jom i belanja u all minum…[:D][:D][:D]
Hi guys,
can someone share the experience of using fly rod for freshwater casting.
meaning match the fly rod with spinning reels. not sure whether it works well for casting. thanks