Fly Fishing (part 1) - Selecting A Fly Rod

A few of my friends have been asking questions about fly fishing. This tread is for all that wish to know a little more about fly fishing, and sharing my knowledge.
Since I started fly fishing a few years ago, I still consider myself a novice and still learning everyday :slight_smile:
All comments are welcome!

Selecting A Fly Rod
In today’s market, we can often find 3 types of materials used in making fly rods. Bamboo, graphite, and fiberglass. Fly rod, is the most important component in a fly set up because when fishing under heavy stress it will be the backbone when fighting the fish.

When selecting a fly rod, one must ask himself these questions:

  1. Do I really need a RM1000 fly rod?
  2. Are expensive rods really better than cheaper ones?
  3. Are top-end rods actually worth the money?

From my opinion if you can afford to get a better rod, by all means, go ahead. The investment of a good fly rod will yield a high return in the future. Fly rods are very important because when fighting the fish a good fly rod vs. a cheap rod will show its differences in workmanship, and quality of the rod. Not forgetting the warranty that a good rod covers.
Fly rod manufacturer such as Orvis covers 25 year warranty for all their rods. Sage covers lifetime warranty depending on the rod model. I currently own an Orvis and Sage, and love em’. They have landed big game for me and never fail to perform under heavy stress.

Materials are less important than rod design. However, nearly all good rods are made out from graphite material. Graphite rods will be much lighter than comparable rods of fiberglass or bamboo. They can cost anywhere from RM200 - RM 2500, although cost is not necessarily directly related to performance. Plus, a thousand ringgit rod is not 10 times better than a 100 ringgit fly rod. Combination of a reputable brand, warranty and the finishing (workmanship) is the key to choosing a fly rod.

Bamboo rods are a bombshell, they can cost anywhere from RM9k to anything crazy we can imagine. Orvis’s Mitey Mike bamboo rod is currently on the market for RM10k. Do we need to spend this much ? I dont think so, unless you are a fly collector or simply have ā€˜bullets’ to shoot, then its okay, otherwise …

From my understanding is that bamboo rods are much more flexible than graphite and fiberglass. Its the workmanship and the flexibility that the bamboo offers that surpass fiberglass and graphite materials. Bamboo on the other hand are very hard to craft when building it, which can cost a lot too. Most bamboo rods are hand made, and it take time to season the wood as well.

There are 3 aspects in a fly rod production

  1. Quality of hardware (cosmetics), such as seat post, cork, guides, finish, ferrules and etc.
  2. Quality of material, such as graphite type, modules fibers, resins and glues
  3. Quality of the assembly

When you touch the rod, the smoothness that run through your fingers should have a connection with you. As the design and the feel of the rod will be your casting machine when fishing. Therefore, the smoothness of the rod and other consideration such as the cork, guides, seat post must be taken into consideration. The material that they used plays an important role as well, you should use your best judgment to check the resins and glue between the rod and the guides. They should be almost perfect with no bumps or small sediments of glue bubbles. Finally the quality of the whole rod, the feel, and the assembly of the rod must be almost beautifully crafted. Only then the rod can be considered as good.

The rod should come with a protective case as well, most rods will have cushion tube or cloth to protect the resins to prevent scratches. Small scratches can be harmful for fly rods as they will create crack in the future.

Just like a normal spinning and conventional rod, the fly rod can be classified into 3 action class. Fast, moderate and soft action. The fast action is intended for longer cast, more power to increase quicker hook set and tighten loops. They are unforgiving stiff rods. Mostly used for tuna, trevally, atlantic tarpon and other big game fish. The moderate action is intended for smoother cast which gives anglers a smooth silky feel, which is slightly softer than fast rods. Some of the fish species that angler seek when using this rods are ā€˜siakap’, MJ, small barracudda, ā€˜tenggiri’ and others. The final rod, which is the soft action is intended to provide anglers a better loading feel, they are best with light tippets. They tend to throw a wide loop with less power. In general, fast action rods acquire greater physical exertion than light action rods. So, my advise is that, if you get tired easily when casting, get a fast action rod.

Rod length. The length should also be taken into consideration. In some rivers off Pahang, which are narrow and small, shorter rods should be considered. If you are doing saltwater fishing off a boat or from the shore a longer rods should be a main factor. Shorter rods are best used in tight spots such brush streams where casting would be difficult with a 8’ or 9’ rod. A medium length rods of 8’ or 8’6" can be used in mid size streams or any time when long cast are not needed. Long rods are most often used from the shore for most situation where longer cast are required. They make the line mending easier because the angler is able to hold more line off the water. 9’ rods are very commonly used in this type of situation.

Fly fishing is still not a new sport to our country, but some anglers find it to be impractical and unpopular. Most of our charter boats dont have enough casting space for the fly rod to cast. Thus, this is a discouragement for anglers to ditch and stay away from it. I hope many more angler will pick up fly fishing, as it uses less natural resources such as live bait and dead bait.

To me, choosing a rod with an extensive good warranty is very important. Also, fly fishing is easier and much more enjoyable when your fly is properly matched to the type of fishing your doing. The 2 main consideration are the rod length and fly line weight.

Have fun!
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Thanks a lot chuanjiek for taking out time to wright this very informative article for we beginners. I hope part II is on its way.
Regards
Sualeh

Anytime!
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An excellent writeup which Im sure will benefit all novice and experienced flyfishos.

chuanjiek : you are really poisonous… Reading your post makes me want to go buy myself another rod.

Oh yeah… You mentioned graphite, bamboo and fiberglass, may I also add Boron to the list (i know the boron content is really minimal but still love the Winston Boron rods).


Infact this whole fly fishing section is poisonous. Since years I was telling myself that fly fishing is not for Pakistani waters but seeing the fly fishing reports on MFN I realised that I was missing a very very elegent and self satisfying (though not equally rewarding) style of angling. I have now decided to go for it. I am not sure how many fish I will catch with flies, however, I am quite certain that I am going to spend a large amount of money on …[|)][^]
regards
Sualeh

Bro orangminyak,

When you mention about Winston baron rod.. could you explain a little bit more… about the baron rod…

Currently I’m using Z-axis, have never try on any baron rod… what will be the different…

Thks,

Dron fly

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Originally posted by orangminyak
chuanjiek : you are really poisonous.... Reading your post makes me want to go buy myself another rod.

Oh yeah… You mentioned graphite, bamboo and fiberglass, may I also add Boron to the list (i know the boron content is really minimal but still love the Winston Boron rods).



Ubi wan bro, Thanks for the compliments, I am still very ā€˜green’ to this sport :slight_smile:

orangminyak bro, interesting, I am unaware of boron rods. Happy to lear more about it, thanks :slight_smile:

check out the winston rods at Tacklebox, they have the Boron IIt, IIx and Mx there. I am sure nick will be more than willing to poison you with a test session at the field in front of his shop.

I won’t be able to give you a comparison between the borons and the z-axis which I was told is a very good rod. But what I know is that the Boron IIt and IIx is certainly lighter than the sage rods. The only other rod which is lighter is the Orvis Helios which is the in rod nowadays… Also available at Nick’s tacklebox. (by the way, I am getting commission on all the sales generated on this thread ;))

Sualeh, flyfishing ought not be expensive. I have a Ross Worldwide FC 3wt rod which I really love casting with, even in head wind. And the price is only a few hundred ringgit. As chuanjiek says, just because a rod is 10 times more expensive doesnt mean that it is 10 times better.

No single rod performs best for all situations so my advice if you are on a budget, is to spend your money buying 3 reasonable priced rods rather than one expensive one. That way, you can have a rod to suit most fishing circumstances.


[quote]Originally posted by orangminyak

No single rod performs best for all situations so my advice if you are on a budget, is to spend your money buying 3 reasonable priced rods rather than one expensive one. That way, you can have a rod to suit most fishing circumstances.
Thanks orangminyak, i think its a very appropriate advise.

dron.fly, I am no expert on fly rods but this is what i read about the boron rods>:
Boron is a very light metal. Its five time stronger and twice stiffer than steel and lighter than aluminum. Boron fibre rods are actually graphite rods with a layer of Boron fibre. The first two layers of rod blank are helical wrapped graphite layers, then a layer of unidirectional Boron fibers, then two more helical graphite layers, then a unidirectional layer of graphite. The rod blank thus produced is much stronger and lighter. These pics will give you a better idea what boron rod is>


http://www.flyfishusa.com/newsletter/010806/#3

Regards
Sualeh

Boron rods are pretty new to me, I’ll add that to my portfolio of rods information! Thanks Sualeh! :slight_smile:

Reviews of Boron rods are really good. But they are very expensive. As far I know, only Winston is making Boron Fibre rods. Good luck.
Regards
Sualeh

Hi all.

Personally I agree with chuanjiek that for just the purpose of hitting some good fish on fly gears, one do not actually need to invest as much in the bigger brands…

Nevertheless, a good warranty backing is definitely the wiser, long term investment.
I have an personal encounter with Templefork fly rods… some years back. Due to some delay for sending a tip to myself, they ship me an entire new fly rod with no charge. Now I have 2 Temple forks…kekeke…

So far only most of the western brands do offer some lifetime warranty. As for asian brands, it’s some great fall back that lifetime warranty usually do not exist. I begin this fly fishing technic, in fact with Shimano freestone. But after a fumbling around with charlies as a start, the warranty worries sets in & not much of any choice that personally I have to start pick up the western brands. It’s a dilemna & cycle… Once in a while, some japanese brands that has some of the finest finishing, rod action & feel… like the Airrite etc. I just cant resist to get my hands on the japanese babe again.

Beside the Winstons BIIx, Scott is another great brand that you can look forward to consider. Some models like S3S also are the lighter fly rods as offered in the market. Lighter fly rods & reels will greatly reduce fatigue for especially a full day of casting.

Well, there are also quite some great custom blanks out there for your option too. Give a though to built your fly rod too. One of the blanks that is great is the Five Rivers Blanks from Dan Craft Enterprises. About US$100++ per blank. While my 4wt five river custom built certainly worth the hundred bucks when it actually helps me to land this…

There is no ending to the pursue of fly gears… just go along with your budget & feel.

Tight Lines. Jim.

nice tongsan…

mat tarpon

Wow Jimmy, you caught this great thing with a 4 wt rod [:0][:0] Thats awsome. Must have been a good fight. How much time it took to land this monster?? Great fishing.
tight lines
Sualeh

Should be at least 15 to 20 minutes. It was a personal score on that 3 lb bite tippet too. I have mistaken the bunch of ā€œmonstersā€ as a group of kalui aka giant gourami… & this monster swam past my puny charlie & her back stuck to my fly.

When I saw the 2 fin popping up as she swim pass myself… I know I would be in some trouble…

Nevertheless inch by inch, the backing & fly line was gain back…

Time flies…It has been 2 years back in 2006 …

You can read the write up in here & view some of the action pictures. http://www.fishingkaki.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19623

Tight lines!

Best Regards
Jimmy Aw

Hi Jimmy,

Nice ā€˜tongsan’ where did you caught this ? The wt4 is a great matching tackle for this fish in freshwater application. Good job :slight_smile:

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Originally posted by chuanjiek
Hi Jimmy,

Nice ā€˜tongsan’ where did you caught this ? The wt4 is a great matching tackle for this fish in freshwater application. Good job :slight_smile:


Kekekee… it’s some short but great dawn sessions that I had while on holiday with family & sneaking around the golf pond of Marriot Putrajaya back in 2006. [:D][:D][:D]

Best Regards
Jimmy Aw

Hi Jimmy, saw the pics and thoroughly enjoyed it. After having seen your pics, i now really feel that 10 wt rod will be more of a liability [|)][V]May be I find some other use for it. [8)]
tight lines
Sualeh

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Originally posted by JimmyAw
quote:
Originally posted by chuanjiek
Hi Jimmy,

Nice ā€˜tongsan’ where did you caught this ? The wt4 is a great matching tackle for this fish in freshwater application. Good job :slight_smile:


Kekekee… it’s some short but great dawn sessions that I had while on holiday with family & sneaking around the golf pond of Marriot Putrajaya back in 2006. [:D][:D][:D]

Best Regards
Jimmy Aw


Nice! :slight_smile: