IMHO, one of the more damaging misconception in fly fishing is “the lighter the weight of the fly rod to catch big fish, the more fun you will have”.
Any comments?
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Tak jadi…!!! lu mau happy tapi lu mau buat ikan tu mati…?
Just imagine… fishing for sailfish with a 20lbs tackle… either you die or the sail die… may be both die…
Can’t agree more with you guys.
We have to use proper setup for each target fish - that is if u’re planning to release the fish.
I had the same wrong perception when I started fly fishing. I guess, since fly fishing in Malaysia is widely & always garnered by other anglers as “a lite form of sports fishing who always produce small fish”, I tent to set a goal to land big fish on the lightest of setups (when the ego kicked in lah… [:p]). Well, 99% of those so-called “big fish hook-ups” (it could just be an underwater bogwood for all u know… haha! [:I]) ended up in bust-offs but the ones I managed to land, do not really look good in water or on a dining plate. Since then only I started to match my set & tippet according to the species I’m targeting… [8D]
But sometimes when Lady Luck is just lurking above you, u might hooked up a big fish on your lightest of setups. And it’s an actual dilemma; ‘to land or not to land’. Half of you wants to land & see the fish and the other half of you is worried that u’ll eventually kill the fish. So, in this particular case, what should we do…?
P/S: This is truly an interesting subject. Thanks to Sifu Andrew for bringing this up… [;)]
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Originally posted by riki_rahman P/S: This is truly an interesting subject. Thanks to Sifu Andrew for bringing this up... [;)]
Aiyah…me no sifu lah, bro Riki. Still got TONS to learn from fly fishing.
As Pak Amin always tell me…even after fly fishing for decades, he’s still learning new stuff everyday. To me…this is the beauty of fly fishing. Makes it interesting all the time.
For instance, me also hardly fish the places that you and bro Alpocot fishes, so got lots to learn from you guys too.
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Fly Fishing is what fish are for!
[But sometimes when Lady Luck is just lurking above you, u might hooked up a big fish on your lightest of setups. And it’s an actual dilemma; ‘to land or not to land’. Half of you wants to land & see the fish and the other half of you is worried that u’ll eventually kill the fish. So, in this particular case, what should we do…?]
Bro,
I think I would try to land the fish… It was not an intentional plan, just luck… then, it will depend on your skill to TRY to land the fish as fast as Possible…
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Originally posted by dron.fly
[But sometimes when Lady Luck is just lurking above you, u might hooked up a big fish on your lightest of setups. And it's an actual dilemma; 'to land or not to land'. Half of you wants to land & see the fish and the other half of you is worried that u'll eventually kill the fish. So, in this particular case, what should we do...?]Bro,
I think I would try to land the fish… It was not an intentional plan, just luck… then, it will depend on your skill to TRY to land the fish as fast as Possible…
well IMO…i just cut off the line…including fly lines.
i wouldnt be happy to have a fish die on the account of me testing my skills, i knew where that stood…and to try to land a big fish quickly on a light rod is just a myth…it never happen, unless you make it happen
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Originally posted by tangyp
Aiyah...me no sifu lah, bro Riki. Still got TONS to learn from fly fishing.As Pak Amin always tell me…even after fly fishing for decades, he’s still learning new stuff everyday. To me…this is the beauty of fly fishing. Makes it interesting all the time.
For instance, me also hardly fish the places that you and bro Alpocot fishes, so got lots to learn from you guys too.
Back in 2005, when I was starting fly fishing, during one of Sifu GP’s fly casting clinics, u were one of the people who taught me how to properly cast at the football field. I don’t know about others but for me, anyone who taught me something in anything, no matter how small, is my SIFU. And I would have a prolonged & endless respect for such persons. And I never ever will forget that… [:)]
Yeah, we must always learn from each other. Keep on learning. But to tell u the truth, u cant learn from me because I don’t really have anything to offer. I mana pandai pancing - pandai pinjam ikan org tangkap gambar saja. Hehehehe… [:p] [:D]
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Originally posted by dron.fly
Bro, I think I would try to land the fish... It was not an intentional plan, just luck... then, it will depend on your skill to TRY to land the fish as fast as Possible.....
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Originally posted by ari
well IMO...i just cut off the line...including fly lines.i wouldnt be happy to have a fish die on the account of me testing my skills, i knew where that stood…and to try to land a big fish quickly on a light rod is just a myth…it never happen, unless you make it happen
It is a dilemma. I also don’t have the proper tasks of what to do. But I hardly get workouts of a big fish anyway, so I guess I’m safe. Hehehe! [:p]
But to be honest, most of the time, the ‘id’ in me will force the brain to keep on holding on to the fish. I guess that’s natural - the hunter’s instinct in us… plus human arrogance.
So, like Master Dron said, try your best to land the fish, or any fish for that matter, quickly. If you can’t or u’ve confirmed that the fish is impossible to land with such setup, like Mr. Ari said, break the line (or the leader at least, fly line is expensive mah! [:o)])… [:p] [:D]
Seeing that Andrew is now taking us into the subject of C&R. I guess the same principles apply to fly fishing too. Yes, some want maximum “shiokness” from fighting a fish, and so to them the lightest possible setup is the way to go..eg a Rompin Sailfish on 12lb. line or a 10K Gt on 3 wt. setup. Problem here is that you half kill the fish even if you manage to land it. Thus an important point for C&R angling is to match the outfit with the quarry, so as to bring in the fish quickly…the Fed. Of F.F. (FFF) has a good brochure on this.
Then again, “shiokness” can also be related to the skill involved in learning about the fish and its habits and habitat, tying the fly, making the presentation with a balanced outfit, outsmarting the fella you’re after…and then landing it after a decent fight … thats another level of “shiokness” and fun altogether.[:D]
So yes Andrew, the “3 wt. for all ocassion” thinking is a totally screwed up point of view.[:(]
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I think some people is not properly educate about balance outfit. I mean if you use wt3 rod/line with correct setup, say 9/10x tippet, no way you can catch 10kg GT. If you use say 0x tippet, you can hook 10kg GT, but surely you’ll kill the fish. Sometimes most beginner were thought how to cast with fly rod and they are eager for distance, so they forget about the some fundamental of fly fishing.
For me if you want to feel the “siokness” with correct setup, go for slow action rod.
my 2 cent
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Originally posted by alpocot
I think some people is not properly educate about balance outfit. I mean if you use wt3 rod/line with correct setup, say 9/10x tippet, no way you can catch 10kg GT. If you use say 0x tippet, you can hook 10kg GT, but surely you'll kill the fish. Sometimes most beginner were thought how to cast with fly rod and they are eager for distance, so they forget about the some fundamental of fly fishing.For me if you want to feel the “siokness” with correct setup, go for slow action rod.
my 2 cent
totally agreed with you…but then whos at fault…the beginner as student or the person who taught him…the teacher.
i believe if a begginner is given proper advice…he wouldnt have strayed from the path…just that the problem is there are many BEGINNER who thought of themselves as sifus after a while and start taking in Machai…now thats the real problem as i see it.
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Originally posted by tonywee
Seeing that Andrew is now taking us into the subject of C&R. I guess the same principles apply to fly fishing too. Yes, some want maximum "shiokness" from fighting a fish, and so to them the lightest possible setup is the way to go..eg a Rompin Sailfish on 12lb. line or a 10K Gt on 3 wt. setup. Problem here is that you half kill the fish even if you manage to land it. Thus an important point for C&R angling is to match the outfit with the quarry, so as to bring in the fish quickly...the Fed. Of F.F. (FFF) has a good brochure on this.Then again, “shiokness” can also be related to the skill involved in learning about the fish and its habits and habitat, tying the fly, making the presentation with a balanced outfit, outsmarting the fella you’re after…and then landing it after a decent fight … thats another level of “shiokness” and fun altogether.[:D]
So yes Andrew, the “3 wt. for all ocassion” thinking is a totally screwed up point of view.[:(]
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correct me if im wrong…some 8 or 9 years ago at tacklebox…you promise this guy some salmon hooks after you saw his fly box ..some salmon flies thats wasnt tied using the proper hooks…
well…i guess you would have forgotten it by now…if you havent, well, im still waiting for you hooks…
hahahaha…joking la.
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Originally posted by ari
just that the problem is there are many BEGINNER who thought of themselves as sifus after a while and start taking in Machai...now thats the real problem as i see it.
Yep! That’s the current disease. Worse, the guidance is given by somebody who does not do any fly fishing. U might not believe it but it happens here in Malaysia. Oh well… [^]
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Originally posted by ari
correct me if im wrong…some 8 or 9 years ago at tacklebox…you promise this guy some salmon hooks after you saw his fly box ..some salmon flies thats wasnt tied using the proper hooks…
well…i guess you would have forgotten it by now…if you havent, well, im still waiting for you hooks…
hahahaha…joking la.
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Aiyaah Ari,
I honestly cannot remember if I did promise you the salmon hooks, or whether you’ve got the right person. My apologies if I’m guilty as age is really catching up[:)]…anyway, I do have some salmon hooks (doubles which are 8 or 9 years old.[:D]) somewhere and will gladly pass then over to you if you can let me know how I can do it…leave them at Nick’s place?
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8 or 9 year old salmon hooks?..well they should be about the right age…rite, besides …how did i know you had them 8 or 9 years ago unless you said so yourself…hehehe…gotcha there didnt i…hahaha.
well Tony,you keep them…old hooks are priceless,especially the doubles. i got my suppy from ebay now…well of course back then we dont have easy acess to nets, so salmon hooks are truly hard to get.
thanks anyway…teh tarik on me the next time…usually i would be in Kl once every 2 months
Ari,
Keep in touch… Hope you see you more on this MFN… Mlaysian FF need someone like you… don’t forget, you are still one of us..
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Originally posted by dron.fly
Ari,Keep in touch… Hope you see you more on this MFN… Mlaysian FF need someone like you… don’t forget, you are still one of us..
forget i never did…always a Malaysian la brader…IC got harimau one hor.
well actually i join this forum 2 years ago…just that i didnt say anything back then, still was on my silent mode…saw plenty of cowboy flyfisher …so i quit coming until i met some guys the other day and ask me to join in…so here im.
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Originally posted by dron.fly
Ari,Keep in touch… Hope you see you more on this MFN… Mlaysian FF need someone like you… don’t forget, you are still one of us..
forget i never did…always a Malaysian la brader…IC got harimau one hor.
well actually i join this forum 2 years ago…just that i didnt say anything back then, still was on my silent mode…saw plenty of cowboy flyfisher …so i quit coming until i met some guys the other day and ask me to join in…so here im.
Ya..welcome bro Ari. Didn’t expect…that day just give you the URL, straight away you’re here already. Bravo.
We look forward to more input from you with regards to the development of fly fishing in Malaysia.
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Fly Fishing is what fish are for!
to be honest la…indonesian flyfishers talk highly of whats going on in malaysia…they think we are tokong , so what ever we do they will follow…something like that.
but they didnt know the whole story,just because malaysia is 10 years ahead doesnt mean our flyfishers are all good, theres plenty of cowboy and karung guni flyfishers…and these guys are really gonna mess things up as the good flyfishers are really the minority now
i dont really care in what direction malaysian flyfisher are heading right now, thats not my job really,from what i see its going downhill. so its up to you guys to stop the rot. when i left the country 7, 8 years ago…FF is truly in good health, with some pretty good kaki doing some fantastic job promoting the sport…IN the right direction. so what happen? brader really…how come theres loads of GUNG_HO flyfishers nowdays?..everyone of them is claiming to be a sifu…in front of you guys they wont la…but you can find plenty of them at the tackle shop and forums.
im making sure that doesnt happen wih my group…its gonna be less quantity but more quality. they will not be allowd to teach until they get the ok from me…well how can you teach if you are still a student? clock in a few years, the casting skill reaching such and such a level…then ok …go teach and take in machai…thats how im gonna do it…guess thats the only way to maintain the standard.
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Originally posted by ari
8 or 9 year old salmon hooks?...well they should be about the right age....rite, besides ...how did i know you had them 8 or 9 years ago unless you said so yourself...hehehe....gotcha there didnt i...hahaha.well Tony,you keep them…old hooks are priceless,especially the doubles. i got my suppy from ebay now…well of course back then we dont have easy acess to nets, so salmon hooks are truly hard to get.
thanks anyway…teh tarik on me the next time…usually i would be in Kl once every 2 months
Yo Ari,
My bad. Looks like I need to apologise again, but glad to be able to communicate again after these years and hope to meet up when you’re next in Nick’s place.
10 years ago we were all beginners then…some have gone on to be experts, but I am still learning and learning so many facets of the sport, esp. concerning our local freshwater fishes … streamcraft, life of fishes, the entemology of our streams ..etc.
See ya and keep up the good work with the youngsters…rgds
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