Haruan Catch & Release?

To all Haruan Lovers..

Haruan has been always been our all time favourite fish to catch. The days has been plentiful and rewarding. Every way we go in Malaysia they will be always haruan to catch. In paddy fields, ponds, Long Kang, Swamps, Plam estate and the list goes on… But will the haruan be there for us to catch forever? Will our great great grand children enjoy what we are enjoying now? I am not sure about the future of our haruan will go, but i am sure the day will eventually comes where the haruans will be hard to catch, it will become elusive like our Toman Bunga and bujuks worse still extinct? The question is when? So should we practice catch & release for our haruan to ensure the survival of this species?

Just my humble opinion, please do give your opinion on this subject..[:D].

In my opinion i think the haruan is better release back to the wild where it belongs. [:D] How about you?


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Great, Great Granchildren? The way things are going, it won’t take that long. We’re not talking generations and steady decline. We’re talking disaster in our own lifetime. Our own children will have fewer opportunities to catch these fish than we have had. So my answer is YES, incorporate catch and release into your fishing.

But I’m also pragmatic in my answer. Sportfishermen are possibly only a small part of the overall problem, but every little helps and sportfishermen can lead the way for everyone by setting an example. There is nothing wrong with taking a fish for the table, but the days of being able to take everything, and provide food for friends, neighbours and the cat are long gone. We can’t do that (everyone else is doing it as well) and expect to have an angling future!

When I first came to Malaysia over 2 years ago, most anglers were not using many soft plastics. They have now taken off in a big, big way. Malaysian anglers have not been slow in adopting new techniques to improve their fishing. But Malaysian anglers (as a group which includes fishermen who do not read this forum - a generalised statement not a personal one!) are lagging behind in their recognition of the need for conservation and sensible management of fish stocks. This is just as important to improve your fishing as any fancy imported lure or hot new technique.

By all means take a Haruan for the table and enjoy eating your catch. But please, if you catch more than a feed, release the rest, and help towards a more enlightened angling future which can only be good for everyone.

Totally agreed.

Not only back to the water alive, but still kicking and back to it’s habitat, the place we caught it!

Well, i’m not a purist and i love haruan for it’s taste too! So i practice bag limit. Now i become so fussy until my dad gone crazy, i only take the biggest haruan, at least half kg and release the rest, sometimes i never even bring one home cos nowadays hard to find haruan which exceed the weight in urban area and near city places… this get my dad real worried, for i use to take everything i catch, include baby i hooked for the aquarium. And most of them end up dead, i’m so sorry for my act and pls don’t bombard me.

So practice CnR for haruan to everyone to ensure everyone have their share of fun in years to come! If i can do it i think most ppl in mfn can do it, cos most mfn member should be more mature and wiser than i am… Happy CnR haruan</font id=“blue”></font id=“size3”>…

I’m just a form5 student and only have 9 years of fishing experience, so must beri tunjuk ajar!

Marlin & TJS bro..

Totally agree with both of you![;)] After browsing thru the haruan pics in “You and Snakehead” tread. I must say, there are really big haruans. But it makes me sad to see a slaugther Haruan, really heart breaking. I am not trying to be a perfectionist here, the haruan we caught is up to the angler to decide, keep or release? Its your choice. [:D][;)] A simple decision with a tremendous impact. Keep the haruan we will destroy a generation of haruans, releasing the haruan we will safe more than one generations of haruans!![:D]

Practising Catch and Release for Haruans is encourage. Safe our haruans before it becomes elusive for all Malaysians. Malaysia Boleh!! Haruan pun Boleh!!! [:D]

Cheers


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I may be stirring a hornet’s nest but hear me out…I’d like to know the motivation behind CNR haruans because as a species, I don’t think it’s anywhere near extinction. It’s bred and sold commercially, and you can get it in the wet market, supermarket and hypermarket. So why are we so passionate about releasing our catch? I can surmise from personal experience : I dont want to kill the fish. Period. It’s a magnificent species, really challenging, not easy to entice, good looking fish too [:D]

But I just dont buy the idea of CNR coz the haruan is close to extinction. yes it’s getting harder to catch it in the wild no denying that. But as a species, it’s not like the kelah: officially listed as endangered. I once stumbled on this place that breeds, fattens and sells haruan in Rawang. OMG, tonnes of haruan, leaping into the air to catch pellets hurled at them. The thought of “our children wont be able to enjoy fishing them in the wild” is cliche and overused. Perhaps that’s the price of progress. On the other hand, our children may be catching super huge haruans in sophisticated haruan sanctuaries in the future, something that we may never get to experience.

I recall catching a nice haruan in Kuantan a couple of years back, and that was my first haruan in I think over a decade. Not that I didnt go fishing, but didnt had the luck to encounter a haruan. In fact I got two. I celebrated the occassion by releasing them, not because they are close to extict, but rather, i didnt want to kill it. That’s all. But if another angler takes home the catch, I feel a twinge of sadness, but again, mercy cannot be the motivation to CNR.

I feel sometimes CNR is brought overboard and we lose focus on the true motivation or reason to CNR. Is the species endangered? Or is it really an act of mercy?

I think it is not the the very action that can change things. It’s the idealogy that make the dif. Like pirated disc to us and compare that to UK where pirared are sort of lower class thing. But i keep my optimism to myself.

Hahaha,

Well TP if u do the math, more ppl means more damages… and if everyone contribute to it then the matter will be worst! I’m sure haruan might be abundance now, but not in term of good size like you’ve said. But we cannot predict future!

Who would believe a forest will turn to KL??? I recall those good old days my uncle can get a bag full of kilo sized haruan back home in just a short day trip, with the mix of haruan are huge bujuks… 1kg of haruan are babies then… now? No doubt comercial still have them by tonnes, but do they allow fishing? If so how many have the priviledge of doing so? We’re talking bout places that accessable by anybody… it’s just far too unproductive compared to the old days!

Old times where kelah flood in our river, just like lampam… but now??? My father always told me bout nice stories of the good old days of his time where fishing are just as good as going to pasar…

There’s no point arguing! I think this topic mainly bout releasing the smaller haruan and practice bag limit for our beloved haruan…

I’m just a form5 student and only have 9 years of fishing experience, so must beri tunjuk ajar!

Tortoise Power, I think you make some excellent points. I made similar observations in the “leave the Mamma’s alone” thread a while back. The species isn’t in danger, so some of the measures necessary for other species might not be needed for Haruan for instance. I can see you’re already aboard in terms of ethical fishing and regardless of why you release haruan, you do it. However, there are many who do not, nor even think about it.

Fish management is specific to species, specific locations and specific waterways and we all know waters where Haruan have been all but wiped out. These waters need our help even if the species doesn’t. Those waters that have healthy populations of fish need to be maintained that way for future generations.

CnR isn’t about not taking a fish for the table, but about doing away with the kill everything mentality. Take only what you need. I have seen guys in Malaysia catch fish and throw them up the bank. They don’t want them. They are not taking them home, but they kill them anyway. Why? I have seen guys take home enough fish for themselves, their friends, their relatives, their next door neighbour and half the people in the Kampung. Many of these fish probably end up in the bin, although the justification is to give them away. Don’t these guys want to fish tomorrow?

In my experience, the enlightened guys who recognise the need for restraint and fish conservation do it all the time with all species in all waters. This is good. Those that do not recognise this need will continue to kill everything regardless of the species or the location. This is obviously bad.

It’s forward thinking and restraint incorporating sensible size and bag limits and CnR of small fish and unwanted fish that will make a difference. Unless our angling future is in pay ponds with stocked fish of only those species that can be bred in captivity. TP, you say yourself that Haruan are getting more difficult to catch in the wild. CnR isn’t necessary to preserve the species, but how about those waters where stocks have already been depleted and it’s no longer worth fishing? Could CnR here help to rebuild stocks in these waters? Perhaps that’s the reason why pay ponds are so popular here, because all the wild places with easy access have long ago been cleaned out. It doesn’t have to be that way.

I think many of us who fish want more than that out of our fishing. We want wild fish stocks in their natural environment and we want to enjoy the great outdoors as part of the experience. Most pay ponds can’t provide that, athough there are a few well kept ones that come close.

The mindset of CnR has benefits in all those areas, even if the species of fish in question might be very common in the particular waters that you fish. Or even if they are so common that they are leaping up the bank to get at your baits in a cultured pond that you can fish from the back of your car.

The guys who CnR probably also take their litter home for instance. They try, as I do, to set an example for others to follow. They have made that jump in their thinking and it has multiple benefits.

For me at least, there’s so much more to fishing than fish farms and pay ponds. It’s that element of what fishing means to me personally that I feel we owe to our children. It’s being taken away at a rapid rate!

that’s a very balanced view Marlin bro. Totally agree with you. I have reverted to paypond (artificial environment) to satisfy the fishing itch…very little place to go in urban kl that can provide fishing thrills. Which make any catch in these natural n free places even more tempting to bring home.

It’s also about treating fish with some level of respect, regardless of species like you say. Maybe this does not apply for the bandaraya fish (sucker fish) [:)]

Take only what you need, be merciful and be clean. There’s a saying maturity is doing the right thing when no one is watching.

Over the years i have seen prime haruan spots has been depleted in Sabah. The demand for its medicinal value and good eating has push the Haruans further inland. Now whats left of these spots is just cigar size haruan, the bigger ones either got smarter or no more. I used to catch haruan of over 1.5kg or even 2kg and above. Today we will need to travel well inland to catch big haruans. However, luckly they are still big haruans in the deepest darkest corner of the rich rainforest in Sabah. So far i think little people know about this place and i will do my part as an angler and as a haruan lover so that they will be good haruan fishing for the next few years. [:D] Hopefully..[|)]

Cheers


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quote:
Originally posted by Tembaring
Over the years i have seen prime haruan spots has been depleted in Sabah. The demand for its medicinal value and good eating has push the Haruans further inland. Now whats left of these spots is just cigar size haruan, the bigger ones either got smarter or no more. I used to catch haruan of over 1.5kg or even 2kg and above. Today we will need to travel well inland to catch big haruans. However, luckly they are still big haruans in the deepest darkest corner of the rich rainforest in Sabah. So far i think little people know about this place and i will do my part as an angler and as a haruan lover so that they will be good haruan fishing for the next few years. [:D] Hopefully..[|)]

Cheers


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bro,besides common haruan, do u know what other type of snakeheads can be found in Sabah…I’m sure got bujuk and Gachua.

TP,
I guess the taste for rared haruan are not as good as the counter part in the wild. I have fished those in the wild.
I still think C&R is a good idea, where place often frequent by haruan anglers is wise to C&R and take what you want only. Where place is less frequent we can take slightly more, knowing that there are still abudant.
Conservation is important, look at the place in Europe, US and Australia there are season to fish and lenght, weight and numbers which one can take home. Unlike here we can fish all year round. At the rate the butchery here is tremendous, where cars can reach almost a bonus if can come home with a haruan. In future to fish haruan we need to hire a helicopter to fish in the wild.
No hard feelings.

hmmm…havent really tasted the difference between wild ones and reared ones. Maybe the wild ones eat good quality frog? [:p]

But from another angle, some who do not CNR haruans take them for aquariums, but the end result is often neglect, starvation and the end, death to the fish…nowadays, it’s hard to get wild haruan in urban KL.

Wild can cget in payponds and fish market even in hypermarket. Truly the rear ones has too much fats. Seen them been fed with chicken intestine, skins and even heads. Yuck!

Sorry typo rear one can get in fish market.

i havent taste the rear one before, so i dont know how it taste. In Sarawak, coz not many ppl catch this fish, the major thing that dwindle the numbers r development,deforestation and water pollution.

Just want to share this:

Was at our nearby pasar malam last friday and notice a fish monger was selling haruan for RM20 per kg.

What surprise me is the size of those haruan - there are about 20 fish in the tank of size between 300-500gms with ONE that might just tip the scale of 600gms. Sad…

wah so small already want to sell.which pasar malam?


SAFE OUR FOREST

Yup in sabah also selling haruan at a similar rate. [xx(]


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Usually if I,m going to fish for haruan, I’ll just thinking of taking home the “tablesize” one.


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