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oh dear…
razlan, i sedih tengok kau bawak banyak sebarau balik rumah. dulu pun ada satu geng bawak 100+ ekor… practice catch and release lah
kalo nak pancing untuk cover u punya trip… baik pegi market!
lagipun sebarau tak sedap bila dah bawak balik KL, makan kat boat house baru best. kalo semo orang pun bungkus ikan macam tu… habislah masa depan sebarau
kill the friggin’ netters
Dont be lazy dude, please read the report..razlan and co have already released half of their sebbies..
and IMHO, there are still lot of sebarau and they grow fast too…just ngap2 those baitfish and in 5 months they already foot long.
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Originally posted by wusharox
oh dear...razlan, i sedih tengok kau bawak banyak sebarau balik rumah. dulu pun ada satu geng bawak 100+ ekor… practice catch and release lah
kalo nak pancing untuk cover u punya trip… baik pegi market!
lagipun sebarau tak sedap bila dah bawak balik KL, makan kat boat house baru best. kalo semo orang pun bungkus ikan macam tu… habislah masa depan sebaraukill the friggin’ netters
i know, they took back 40 pcs… for u maybe its little, but sebaraus are worth alot more in the water =)
kill the friggin’ netters
wusharox…
for me CnR is not to release all my fish, only take home what we need. 45 sebbie for 6 person, only 6 to 7 fish for every one…i hope u got the picture clear..
each of us sure want to give some fish to our friends or family (especially when they request)…we’re not going to kenyir everyday, so, is it wrong for everyone to take home 6 or 7 sebbie?
which market i can get 40 sebaraus in KL?
If that so easy to get, everyone also can buy…
I’m tried to be honest to all MFN members, we told everyone how many fish we took home and how many fish we released…
which one is better?
Tell everyone we got 100+ sebbies and all were CnR or tell the truth??
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quote:
Originally posted by wusharox
oh dear...razlan, i sedih tengok kau bawak banyak sebarau balik rumah. dulu pun ada satu geng bawak 100+ ekor… practice catch and release lah
kalo nak pancing untuk cover u punya trip… baik pegi market!
lagipun sebarau tak sedap bila dah bawak balik KL, makan kat boat house baru best. kalo semo orang pun bungkus ikan macam tu… habislah masa depan sebaraukill the friggin’ netters
(as a sign of recpect i will reply your posting in bahasa since u were using it)
abg wusharox,
pendapat u tu wlupun tak semuanya betul tapi tentang CNR tu saya setuju la.memang kami catch-photo-release sebarau2 yg kecil2 supaya dapat meneruskan kehidupannya,lebih2 lagi kami rasa sebarau2 yg kecil taklah sedap rasanya walaupun dimakan diatas bot house.fyi,kami makan masakan yg sama seperti dirumah (telur goreng,sayur,kicap etc) dan tak lah pulak kami buat fish ball dari sebarau walaupun u kata sebarau sedap dimakan kat bot house.
saya sependirian dgn razlan dimana CNR bukan lah bermaksud kita kena release semua tangkapan tetapi secara terpilih.mana yg sesuai dimakan kami bawa pulang tapi itu pun telah kami had kan.
saya 100% tak faham ayat u ni:
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Originally posted by wusharox
kalo nak pancing untuk cover u punya trip... baik pegi market!
adakah u cuba nak memandang rendah hobi kami sebagai pemancing ataupun u nak menggalakan pemukat2 dan pengebom ikan untuk menjual lebih banyak ikan sebarau kat market?
sincerely,pls clarify us bro…
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Kebanyakan ikan sebarau kalau di lip grip seperti di atas gambar akan ada kesan trauma, kerosakan tisu di sekitar abdomen dan mulut. Kalau ikan kena hook dekat insang, biarlah ambik. Tapi cuba berkerasan untuk lepaskan induk ataupun juvenile yang tiada kesan darah tanpa in naikan ke boat.
Pasal tu lah trend ini di buka…
thanks bro gerard.we really appreciate on your kind advices..tp saya dah scroll banyak kali kat report kami tak nampak pun gambar sebarau yg dihandle menggunakan lip grip.fyi satu2nya ikan dlm gambar yg di lip grip adalah ikan belida.tapi tak tahu lah kalau saya oversees.
dont worry,sebarau induk dan juvenile kami lepaskan semula atas dasar sportfishing walaupun mungkin ada induk yg kami terambil kerana tidak dapat membezakan antara yg induk atau tidak.boleh bro ajar kami cara utk mengenali induk sebarau?thanks..
P/S:maaf kerana menggunakan bahasa melayu di ruangan english ini.
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After all the bahasa chit-chat, I think this is an issue worth discussing. I think all fishermen like to take home fish to eat, and I’m a great supporter of that concept, provided it’s done within the context of size and bag limits and with sustainable fisheries in mind. I don’t think there is any argument that we all would like excellent fishing every time we fish and we all want to fish tomorrow and next year. That doesn’t come for free and there’s a price to pay to achieve that ideal situation. There are also no legal limits for Rod and Line fishermen in Malaysia today, so it’s always down to the individual as to how far the concept of CnR goes. Any fish released is better than none, and it’s fantastic that anglers here are embracing CnR with sustainability in mind. With that in mind, here’s my personal thoughts on this.
I have run a charter boat and I personally encourage anglers to release fish. One or two sizeable fish per person for the table is sufficient. It’s not really enough fish per person for them to give away fish to friends, relatives, or neigbours. Actually, limiting the distribution of fish from our sporting take or bag limit is the whole purpose of that limit. There’s no end to that list if we try to include everyone and if we do, we’re not satisfying a need, we’re creating one. Next time we fish, the list of people wanting fish is even bigger. In the end, we’re almost going commercial, killing everything we catch in order to supply to whole kampung! Bag limits give you an excellent excuse to tell your neighbour sorry, without offending them.
Fish may well grow fast and half of what we catch might well be released, but it’s a numbers game, pure and simple. It’s not really a moral issue beyond achieving sustainability. If sustainable fisheries is the aim, numbers is the game!
If there are 4 anglers aboard and each takes 2 fish, that’s 8 fish. Each fish will be within the size limit and each angler has not exceeded his personal bag limit, but the boat has taken 8 fish in total. If I take 6 anglers, that’s 12 fish, etc, etc. That’s why in most areas that manage their fisheries, there’s also a boat limit. The total catch on the boat must also be limited to prevent large quantities of fish being removed from the fishery should one party of anglers strike a good concentration of fish. It isn’t enough to simply control the numbers of fish each individual brings home, the boat also has to be capped.
On the flip side of this is the fact that many anglers fish only 3 to 4 times a year. They want to stock up. Their logic is simple. Even if I kill everything I catch, I’m only going 4 times a year, so it doesn’t matter. I can have no effect on the fish population. For the individual, this is probably correct, but it’s a rather narrow view of the fishery and is not playing the numbers game in the correct way. Let’s say our party of anglers takes 40 fish over 2 days. 4 times a year, 160 fish, right? Not too bad. Our fishery can probably sustain those numbers.
Now that same boat is taking another party of anglers out the next day. They too only fish 3 to 4 times a year. They too feel this means they can take as many fish as possible without any impact. They also take home 160 fish a year. You see the problem? The same boat taking out parties who fish only 3 to 4 times a year adds up to a huge number of fish. Now add the other boats working the area, each doing the same thing and we end up with a fishery in long term trouble.
Given that there are no laws limiting the catch, nothing being discussed here is illegal. It’s not immoral to kill a fish for the table. But I think the simple truth of the numbers game means we all have to make a small contribution if we voluntarily support sustainable fisheries. I can’t tell you what the size and bag limits should be set at for waters in Malaysia and various species of fish, since I have no data on which to assess these numbers. By the same token, that means neither does anyone else, either positively or negatively. We don’t know if the numbers of fish we are taking is a sustainable amount.
Would it change anyone’s thinking if they they knew for certain that 40 fish over 2 days was unsustainable? Or 30 fish? Or 2 fish? It might, at least for some, although I’ve also heard the other justification for killing more than we should, which is quite sad, “If I don’t take them, someone else will”.
If you knew it was unsustainable, it might just make you release the fish you would have taken for your Aunt or the bloke next door who saw you packing the rods and asked for a fish. It may not, but the fish don’t care who eats them, they’re just dead. And the question we have to ask is, are the numbers of fish we are removing from the fishery a sustainable amount or is the fishery declining? If it’s declining, would you support stricter bag limits to allow the fishery to recover?
Along the same lines, I witnessed a very sad event this weekend. A lovely water, clean and unspoilt. I turned up at dawn and launched my boat. Another boat was being launched just down the bank. These piscatorial predators had set 2 nets, each half the length of the pond, over 500 metres long. I watched them fill the boat with fish from these two nets. Not sure if this is illegal or not, since there were no signs saying otherwise.
However, it struck me that the authorities, sooner or later, in order to preserve these places will soon ban fishing there. Nets and rod and line fishermen will not be differentiated. Just NO FISHING. How sad that these selfish individuals will inevitably ruin these fisheries, not just for themselves, but for everyone. I don’t quite understand how two guys who can afford to buy a car and a boat need the income from these fish. They caught far too many for their own needs.
What do you guys think?
As a concerned Malaysian angler, I agree with Marlin that in the absence of any law relating to sportfishing and the conservation of sportfishes, we must set our own size and bag limits if we are sincere in wanting to promote sportfishing as a healthy hobby for the whole family.
We have often advocated the use of voluntary B&S Limits and, in fact, Aznir has even taken the trouble to propose B&S Limits for our various sportfishes. I am not at all surprised that most of our local anglers are still not fully aware of the importance of and the implications of taking too many fishes home. Education is such a long process, especially when we have still to overcome the many obstacles encountered, being they cultural, economic or even egotistical in nature.
Coming to this incident, one will notice that all comments on the fotos were favourable, until Wusharox questioned the number of Sebaraus killed. This supports my point that we do not take B&S Limits seriously … we always wait for the next guy to do it. I have to say that taking 10 Sebaraus per fisho is way over the limit … 2 each would have been more reasonable, and there would have been 32 more fishes added to the 40 they released for future trips.
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I think there’s something in the bahasa about covering the cost of the trip with the fish you catch. If not this thread, it’s mentioned on the Toman fillet thread. Again, there is nothing illegal at present in doing this and it’s for each of us therefore to set our own boundaries.
For me this is a very clear cut no-no. We fish for fun. If we have to sell our catch to cover the cost of the trip, we’re commercial fishing. Sooner or later, we start taking more fish than covering the cost of the trip. Making a profit then becomes the objective rather than a good day out with friends enjoying the wild outdoor places. Hawaiian sportfishing charters do this. The result is reduced costs passed on to the client, but all fish belong to the boat. I view this as little more than clients subsidising commercial fishing and I’m dead against it. If we sell our catch to cover the costs, it’s killing our own tomorrow. A self defeating excersise. The whole concept of sport fishing is that we don’t fish for commercial gain. It’s a hobby. All hobbies cost money.
oops, hope i didnt piss anyone off…
actual meaning of wat i said earlier is that, “many fisherman here feels they must catch back their cost”. because they feel that the money paid should be well spent therefore they take back as many fishes as they can. hope u are not like that bros
that is our mindset of “sportfishing” now… and i know many ppl who thinks like that.
e.g. i only take 6 for myself, and i only go once a year. but if 365 ppl were to go and do the same, our waters will be empty. maybe thats why exist ppl who releases most of the fish to balance the irregularity, but sadly this number of ppl is only a handful. buts its alright i guess… u can always take home my share.
imagine me going Royal Belum this CNY n take home 200 tomans and 100 sebarau… its only once every 5 years right? and all my relatives are cats. my fren taufik(rodranger) has 15 cats also… do i need to give to his cats also? anyway that is MY point of view, if u feel u disagree with my point that is not my problem, so just continue to catch all u want. and u see my signature below? i’ve seen destruction to Temenggor dam 15 years ago, everyday there’s 3 lorry loads of fish being netted and sold to markets. now u know y we can cast all day long and still get “0”. for me, conservation is the way to go
sorry if i offended anyone, i m just trying to convert u to 99% C&R anglers.
kill the friggin’ netters
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Originally posted by wusharox
oops, hope i didnt piss anyone off...actual meaning of wat i said earlier is that, “many fisherman here feels they must catch back their cost”. because they feel that the money paid should be well spent therefore they take back as many fishes as they can. hope u are not like that bros
that is our mindset of “sportfishing” now… and i know many ppl who thinks like that.
e.g. i only take 6 for myself, and i only go once a year. but if 365 ppl were to go and do the same, our waters will be empty. maybe thats why exist ppl who releases most of the fish to balance the irregularity, but sadly this number of ppl is only a handful. buts its alright i guess… u can always take home my share.
imagine me going Royal Belum this CNY n take home 200 tomans and 100 sebarau… its only once every 5 years right? and all my relatives are cats. my fren taufik(rodranger) has 15 cats also… do i need to give to his cats also? anyway that is MY point of view, if u feel u disagree with my point that is not my problem, so just continue to catch all u want. and u see my signature below? i’ve seen destruction to Temenggor dam 15 years ago, everyday there’s 3 lorry loads of fish being netted and sold to markets. now u know y we can cast all day long and still get “0”. for me, conservation is the way to go
sorry if i offended anyone, i m just trying to convert u to 99% C&R anglers.
kill the friggin’ netters
aiya..kecoh2 apa pasai??
org mau bikin apa org punya suka la..
dorg punya duit..mau bikin kecoh saja..[xx(]
Wusharox, Razlan and friends, Tony, every little helps. CnR is increasingly becoming part of everyday fishing. For some more than others. Anyone who visits this forum may not be practising, but they surely must know of the concept. There’s more to be done to help the deplorable state of fisheries in Malaysia and CnR is only part of this. Sadly, wherever I fish in Malaysia I see things which I am not used to seeing in recreational waters. These waters are used by many, but are being destroyed by a few. I hope I never get to where these things don’t bother me any more.
I think most of us are on the same side here. Sorry for hijacking the thread.
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Originally posted by wusharox
oops, hope i didnt piss anyone off...actual meaning of wat i said earlier is that, “many fisherman here feels they must catch back their cost”. because they feel that the money paid should be well spent therefore they take back as many fishes as they can. hope u are not like that bros
that is our mindset of “sportfishing” now… and i know many ppl who thinks like that.
e.g. i only take 6 for myself, and i only go once a year. but if 365 ppl were to go and do the same, our waters will be empty. maybe thats why exist ppl who releases most of the fish to balance the irregularity, but sadly this number of ppl is only a handful. buts its alright i guess… u can always take home my share.
imagine me going Royal Belum this CNY n take home 200 tomans and 100 sebarau… its only once every 5 years right? and all my relatives are cats. my fren taufik(rodranger) has 15 cats also… do i need to give to his cats also? anyway that is MY point of view, if u feel u disagree with my point that is not my problem, so just continue to catch all u want. and u see my signature below? i’ve seen destruction to Temenggor dam 15 years ago, everyday there’s 3 lorry loads of fish being netted and sold to markets. now u know y we can cast all day long and still get “0”. for me, conservation is the way to go
sorry if i offended anyone, i m just trying to convert u to 99% C&R anglers.
kill the friggin’ netters
wusharox bro,
till now,i hardly cannot understand why u still having the ridicolous point of view on our fishing style.still u are saying that we are always concern on cost that we hav to born and take as many as we can to compensate our expenses.what kind of fundemental are u using to accuse us for practising such us that dirty thing?
okey,let me give u simple calculation (base on on my case,trip to kenyir:
our estimated cost for the 3d2n trip=RM350per head
each person bring back 6 fishes
*none of us having cat at home neither to feed any alleycat
RM350/6fish=RM58per fish
according to the locals,market price for sebbie is RM12per kg
RM58/RM12=4.8kg
that means either each of us hav to bring back 6 badongs or at least 29kg of sebbie just to ensure that our cost is covered.
so,do you clear on this that no matter how desprately we tried to save our money just to fullfill our dream to fishing at kenyir (or at any lake too) we are not that “bussiness minded” enuff to bring back our catches and sell it to raise some money.
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Originally posted by wusharox
imagine me going Royal Belum this CNY n take home 200 tomans and 100 sebarau…
wow,wish u a great all day long fishing there and pls bring alot of food unless u still feel that sebarau is very tasty when u eat on the boathaus..hehehehe
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Originally posted by Marlin
Wusharox, Razlan and friends, Tony, every little helps. CnR is increasingly becoming part of everyday fishing. For some more than others. Anyone who visits this forum may not be practising, but they surely must know of the concept. There's more to be done to help the deplorable state of fisheries in Malaysia and CnR is only part of this. Sadly, wherever I fish in Malaysia I see things which I am not used to seeing in recreational waters. These waters are used by many, but are being destroyed by a few. I hope I never get to where these things don't bother me any more.I think most of us are on the same side here. Sorry for hijacking the thread.
no bro marlin,u are almost welcome to post your opinions and says here..and for that,i thank u very much.
i’m always impressed with your writing here.unfortunately i’ve missed your talk at KAGUM last week.my fren was there and he tells me that u gave alot of info on CNR.i do hope that i can participate in your talk in the future..
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Originally posted by razlan
wusharox...for me CnR is not to release all my fish, only take home what we need. 45 sebbie for 6 person, only 6 to 7 fish for every one…i hope u got the picture clear..
each of us sure want to give some fish to our friends or family (especially when they request)…we’re not going to kenyir everyday, so, is it wrong for everyone to take home 6 or 7 sebbie?
which market i can get 40 sebaraus in KL?
If that so easy to get, everyone also can buy…I’m tried to be honest to all MFN members</font id=“red”>, we told everyone how many fish we took home and how many fish we released…
which one is better?
Tell everyone we got 100+ sebbies and all were CnR or tell the truth??
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I think the first thing we need to appreciate is the honesty here as there are hundreds of fishos who take home much more and never appear in MFN and nor they ‘owe’ any replies.
The next thing is to educate the need and the meaning for CnR rather than imposing and reprimanding. Wusharox have seen destuctions over the years (me too, why did I gave up?), you need to be above 50 years old to really know what was the destructions. The young ones today are born seeing the current state as their ‘perfect’ enviroment and they don’t know yet what their actions will do.
Like us in the early days we like to bring home fishes not only for our family but also for our neighbours and friends. What were we looking for? An appreciation, respect, or the bragging rights? Yet none of this is not more important than the conservation and the fishing sport itself for whatever the reasons. The new bragging rights is to show CnR fishing pictures at MFN and we stop catching fishes for our friends and neighbours…we catch and RELEASE for our GRANDCHILDREN. This need to be educated. Today those who want to eat such fishes can only do so if they are inside the camp, dam or river period.
MFN is only fishos’ forum and not regulatory department. It will better if we can get some talents good at advertising to do some educating messages that explain the need to CnR. We MFN members can chip in some money each to finance a short movie that always appear at MFN for example.
Last we should first thank razlan for their honesty and continue from there. Maybe it is because of this issue that certain positive direction is created I hope.
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1st of all, we are sorry coz taken to much sebbies at this trip.
for me, no body perfect… yes, we did the CnR.. but not for all the cathes.. for this trip, more then a half we release back and only suitable size taken .. unfortunetly, nobody count it becouse everybody too excited with sebbies/casting… and,at the boat house we know the number of sebbies we taken already over the limits..so, what we do.. for the next day, most of catches that day we CnR..
i totally not agree with this statment..“many fisherman here feels they must catch back their cost”… fishing just a hobbies… we spend a lot of money for trip/equipment just for fun.. some trip we lucky…some trip we get “0”.. but, no body regret for what they already spend for it..tomorrow can fishing again. I think, none of us sell their catshes( fresh water fish),i hope so.. except pay pond fisher.. means, that statment meaning nothing for us.. fishing just for fun.
so… no need to hentam2 lah… Razlan clearly mention that figure.. how many we take, how many we CnR…at least, he try not to be hypocrite… not like some others forumers… know what CnR, but never apply it… tepuk dada tanya selera.
<<<<<CastinG KaMu>>>>>quote:
Originally posted by razlan
wusharox...for me CnR is not to release all my fish, only take home what we need. 45 sebbie for 6 person, only 6 to 7 fish for every one…i hope u got the picture clear..
each of us sure want to give some fish to our friends or family (especially when they request)…we’re not going to kenyir everyday, so, is it wrong for everyone to take home 6 or 7 sebbie?
which market i can get 40 sebaraus in KL?
If that so easy to get, everyone also can buy…I’m tried to be honest to all MFN members, we told everyone how many fish we took home and how many fish we released…
which one is better?
Tell everyone we got 100+ sebbies and all were CnR or tell the truth??
http://longkanggang.blogspot.com/H/P number: 017-6349013
Cheers !!!
You shared the same… we are those who post real picture of what the fact is and not clouded with “look-good” mask..
Edwinc..