reported in Chinese Daily and i copied the link from a Chinese Angling Forum.
http://mykampung.sinchew.com.my/node/148984?tid=5
apologise to those who don’t read chinese. Basically someone has started farming large mouth bass in Perak. They bought the fry from Taiwan which is the improvised version, can breed in tropical weather.
Now, is this a good or bad news? Soon our future generation will have to visit museum to catch glimpse of Temoleh, Lampang or even Puyu!!!
we’re already looking forward in seeing temoleh in museum
I only have 13 years of fishing experience, so must beri tunjuk ajar!
7-9kg temoleh can still be found in kenyir
bstrds who take everything large,medium AND small are THE problem - these are not netters
another problem is fisheries DON’T care even when reports and pictorial evidence is furnished
a most ironic pic is of a local with a mid-sized red kelah posing in front of a fisheries entrance [:(!][V][:(!][V][:(!][V][:(!][V]
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Originally posted by acheong
7-9kg temoleh can still be found in kenyir b*st*rds who take everything large,medium AND small are THE problem - these are not nettersanother problem is fisheries DON’T care even when reports and pictorial evidence is furnished
a most ironic pic is of a local with a mid-sized red kelah posing in front of a fisheries entrance [:(!][V][:(!][V][:(!][V][:(!][V]
time to bear arms!
Give up on the Gomen oledi. They dare say that all importation of fishes are screened by them. So this can only mean tat they approve of its existence in Malaysia.
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In my opinion, we’d be glad to see the existence of the largemouth in M’sian waters. I believe that different species of fish both introduced and native can co-exist if the fisheries are managed properly in the first place. these days, the majority of people just just point fingers at the introduced species and make them the scapegoat. we got to look at the bigger picture. that’s just my take.
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if they had done their work properly in the first place then they won’t have to worry about pointing fingers…
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always respect those fishes that u caught, coz they live for your catch.
Can’t remember which TV channel - but there was a program that showed introduced Carp running wild in the area leading to the Great Lakes in the US. Apparently, those fellas were multiplying so fast that they devastated local species by consuming all available food and forcing the locals out of their normal habitat.
Agree that variety could well be the spice of life, but would rather a proper study be done on the long term effects before we simply bring in foreign species.
The environment is a delicate balance - and people who mess around with it better be sure that they fully know what they are doing.
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Originally posted by Mike
Can't remember which TV channel - but there was a program that showed introduced Carp running wild in the area leading to the Great Lakes in the US. Apparently, those fellas were multiplying so fast that they devastated local species by consuming all available food and forcing the locals out of their normal habitat.Agree that variety could well be the spice of life, but would rather a proper study be done on the long term effects before we simply bring in foreign species.
The environment is a delicate balance - and people who mess around with it better be sure that they fully know what they are doing.
Do we underrate our local species? We should not. Given the accustomed local conditions and generations of adaptations they should do better than other introduced species.
Likewise if we want our local species to propagate all over the world, then we should introduce them out of the country. May be they thrive better overseas. May be they are not meant to do well in their home grounds[8D][8D][8D].
Then we shall go fishing for sebaraus in Japan[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]!
reports from the recent ‘Boat on the Road’ event to Kenyir showed that the ‘introduced’ fresh water siakap showed the effects. Who is to guess that a fishing competition at Kenyir would yield more big siakaps rather than the customary tomans. The thousands of small lampams around the chalets are all but gone. Next in the pipeline has the state government talking about introducing Mekong Catfish / Plabuk into Kenyir. If that happens, I am rather assured that thereafter there will be no longer any baung and keli as well.
the knife to the heart is that the reason to these actions, which were stated as to diversify the economic base of the Kenyir folks by catering to the sport-fishing tourism.
" Do we underrate our local species? We should not. Given the accustomed local conditions and generations of adaptations they should do better than other introduced species."
This is not true - for example, just look at the current infestation by Peacock Bass in our country. How many local species are able to accommodate the new foreigner ?
Similarly, look at the carps spreading in the US - the locals did not have a chance even though they had been there for hundreds of years.
It is all to do with balance - something that has been arrived at after many many years. In many instances, foreign species do have the potential to upset this delicate balance.
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Originally posted by Mike In many instances, foreign species do have the potential to upset this delicate balance.
Sounds like our local species need an NEP*.
*New Environmental Plan
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Originally posted by zujuThen we shall go fishing for sebaraus in Japan[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]!
I dun want to go so far to japan to fish sebarau.
Given the living habitat of sebarau, they probably will wipe out japanese trouts in those streams.
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Originally posted by zujuThen we shall go fishing for sebaraus in Japan[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]!I dun want to go so far to japan to fish sebarau.
Given the living habitat of sebarau, they probably will wipe out japanese trouts in those streams.
Don’t think the sebarau can survive the temperate climate in Japan. So don’t worry, the trout will be fine there, he… he… [:D]
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releasing something foreign in other than their home habitat is always bad… one way or another
it’s either the fish will wipe out the natives population(exp are PB here and bluegills in Japan), or it won’t survive the living condition(take sebarau in japan, or trout in m’sia)… either way it’s still bad, right? Unless one is a sadist tat would love to see all the fish released died, or another nutcase that would like to see the only fish exist is the one he/she releases
If there’s a fish that could mutually co-exist with the rest then it’s fine but how many are like tat? And if any, will have been studied thoroughly before releasing? Plus our fishery department is a far cry from those in developed countries, if not down right retarded
therefore i’m totally against any releasing of foreign species in here. My take is simple enough, and totally backed by enough evidence
I only have 13 years of fishing experience, so must beri tunjuk ajar!
Like most people, I also would like the opportunity to catch Large Mouth Bass - just watching the competition on TV yesterday evening had me drooling all over the floor.
This led to a ( late ) teh tarik session where we shared views on the matter again. So just to share further …
One of the guys said something to the effect that our Toman was probably the only species who could fend off the Peacock Bass. Now, that got us thinking about the Carp problem in the US. Are they that fierce ?
Obviously not - but the conditions suite them so well that they are multiplying like there was no tomorrow - and while in no position to attack anybody, the hundreds of thousands of foreigners were simply eating up all the available food.( and apparently stirring up the water as well )
So it is not only fierce specimens - it can also be where they reproduce so fast that they starve out the indigenous species.
Another thing - if there are so many carp over there, why is it a bad thing ? More protein right ?
Not so - unlike us, the guys over there apparently do not like eating carp !
Hmmm - got to retrieve a few telephone numbers - somewhere is a telephone number for " Chan Kee " - the first restaurant in Sungei Besi that got my carp taste buds going upmteen years ago.[:p][:p][:p]
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Don't think the sebarau can survive the temperate climate in Japan. So don't worry, the trout will be fine there, he... he... [:D]
if they can genetically modify a LMB to survive and breed in tropical climate, i am sure they could do the opposite to Sebarau.
The same thing happened to siakap and toman, from freshwater to saltwater and vice versa, the issue arises when they started to self breed in the introduced enviroment.
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Originally posted by ekwong
reports from the recent 'Boat on the Road' event to Kenyir showed that the 'introduced' fresh water siakap showed the effects. Who is to guess that a fishing competition at Kenyir would yield more big siakaps rather than the customary tomans. The thousands of small lampams around the chalets are all but gone. Next in the pipeline has the state government talking about introducing Mekong Catfish / Plabuk into Kenyir. If that happens, I am rather assured that thereafter there will be no longer any baung and keli as well.the knife to the heart is that the reason to these actions, which were stated as to diversify the economic base of the Kenyir folks by catering to the sport-fishing tourism.
my take is that:
a few cycles later, dun even think we can get plabuk in kenyir, but we certainly can get habuk…
With all that’s said and done regarding alien species… I still believe humans pose the biggest threat to our local indigenous species.
Mike mentioned above that our Toman could fend off the PB. But Toman populations are dropping because humans don’t allow the older Tomans to protect the young when they put them into iceboxes.
If forest rangers could allow people to go into protected areas and release chemicals into the water, so that they can have a fun time ‘tembak’-ing kelah, then why worry about foreign species…
The biggest threat is the local species… of humans… Us.
I dunno if you guys realize, even the alien species are getting harder to find, and specimens caught are smaller n smaller.
So alien species are not really the problem if humans seem to think that all fish don’t belong in the water.
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Originally posted by nyamaoan
With all that's said and done regarding alien species... I still believe humans pose the biggest threat to our local indigenous species.Mike mentioned above that our Toman could fend off the PB. But Toman populations are dropping because humans don’t allow the older Tomans to protect the young when they put them into iceboxes.
If forest rangers could allow people to go into protected areas and release chemicals into the water, so that they can have a fun time ‘tembak’-ing kelah, then why worry about foreign species…
The biggest threat is the local species… of humans… Us.
I dunno if you guys realize, even the alien species are getting harder to find, and specimens caught are smaller n smaller.
So alien species are not really the problem if humans seem to think that all fish don’t belong in the water.
well said and i fully agreed.
Not trying to be a hypocrite - we don’t have to take home every damn fish we caught!!
Another mentality that is hard for most of us to get rid of, something we have been told since young - fish caught by ownself taste the best.