Hi all, new here
joining friends for my 1st haruan trip
need advise on the recommend rod, reel and line set up
the place i’m going is full of grass and snags (tree branches) as shown in pic by friend
they use 8’ long heavy rod and big reel (4000 n 5000 series), line 40-60lb mono
i find that its sort of heavy to cast whole day with the set-up
need to know what other option but still can do the job
cheersss
ikanbilis - welcome to MFN !
My haruan days were many years ago - even though I still get to put in a day here and there.
The equipment that your friends are using are not unusual because of the snaggy conditions - and many of my friends also used similar.
Two of us in the group were however exceptions - we used lines between 20 - 30 lbs, 7 foot rods ( 20 lb rating ), and reels in the size of one of today’s 2000 - 3000. This meant that we had an easier time casting - and dare I say, probably even more enjoyable (?)
When an haruan takes - and this is the time you enjoy watching the bubbles come to the surface - regardless of whatever equipment you use, you should give it some free line so that it has time to really swallow your bait. 5 seconds ? 10 seconds ? There is no fixed time - and we all learn to use the time that best works for ourself.
In that time, between " take " and " strike " - the haruan is most probably going to pull your bait / lure, into it’s favorite snag.
After waiting ( 5 - 10 seconds ), you then give out a shout, and strike. Reel screetches out a protest, you take a step backwards to increase leverage - but what has happened ? The damn thing is stuck !
Now this is where the 60 lb line will allow you to pull harder than the 20 lb. Obviously my 20 lb would be the first to break. Then I wait to see what would happen to my friends 60 lb. He is in the meantime, pulling so hard that he would most probably be able to pull a cow up a tree.
Yes, there is a better chance for him to part with the snag - and if the snag is lightly anchored waterweeds - there is a chance that the haruan would still be there. But, more often than not - the fish was not there - gone ! Too much pressure or what, I don’t know - but after all the work - nyet - no fish as well.
So, in my humble opinion, his 60 lb did not offer too much of an advantage over my 20 lb. in many instances.( especially in areas where I could gently wade to the snag and use a net to land the fish )
Have a try both ways - and that is what fishing is all about - trying, experimenting, having fun - and seeing which works for you. Remember that the lighter equipment will be more adaptable to a multitude of land based fishing sorties, while the heavier equipment will be an overkill for less snaggy conditions.
Enjoy !!! [:D]
mike
thanks for the info
think i’m going for the lighter set up
quote:Hi, The condition you mentioned the best I equipment I ever use are, Ryobi Applause 4000 (RM160), Shakesphare Sigma Titinium 7'(RM80) rod and braid line 30lb (Finns). This set is relative lighter then most. One of the thoughest rod I ever use for haruan. When the fish hits the snags and get stuck never try to pull it out forcefully, let your line loose a bit an try to pull it out when it moves. Bear in mind that haruan need to come out to breath, when this happens it your chance to pull it up.
Originally posted by ikanbilis
Hi all, new here joining friends for my 1st haruan trip need advise on the recommend rod, reel and line set up the place i'm going is full of grass and snags (tree branches) as shown in pic by friend they use 8' long heavy rod and big reel (4000 n 5000 series), line 40-60lb mono i find that its sort of heavy to cast whole day with the set-up need to know what other option but still can do the jobcheersss
thanks Jaswon
thinking of getting some cheaper braid line, Kumo, if i’m not mistaken about the brand, about rm 20+
my logic is u dont need to cast too far, get snag often, why spend on expensive line
but then again, i might be wrong…
Hi Ikanbilis. Welcome to the forums!
I don’t have a special ‘haruan only’ rod, but for almost all my haruan fishing, i use a med. light cherrywood + a abu 100u reel + 8pound fireline. Well, i have badly snagged before but the thrill of tackling a haruan on such a setup is worth the line snaps(if you ask me!). But in EXTREME snaggy waters, i switch to a lemax red sword medium(fast action) + abu503 + 20pound powerpro. This is much better as the fast action of the rod enables me to somewhat control the fish.
Just a tip(that i learnt from someone else and works for me): you don’t need to have a rod powerful enough rod to crank the fish out of the water without the drag coming out. If you ask me, that is overkill. If you notice the fish heading for snags, just give it a hard pull, it will somewhat disorient the fish. Instead of heading for the snag it was targetting, it will head somewhere else. Then start reeling in. Of course the drag will be somewhat screaming but remember, know the strenght of your line and then you can confidently palm the spool and crank the rod a bit. This way, you are free from snags and have a good time fighting the fish!
Btw, what bait are you using to target the haruans? If you’re using a medium to heavy outfit, you’re going to face problems casting frogs, as they are very light. Not the case if using lighter outfits. I would suggest weedless soft plastics. Works ok for me for haruans, or any fish for that matter in snaggy conditions.
My 2 cents. Hope it helps.
quote:Never use Kumo, I used it before use to get tangle at the spool when casting. As braided line has a longer life span get spiderwire, finns or fireline( a bit stiff). It cost abit mre but worth it when fishing is concern.
Originally posted by ikanbilis
thanks Jaswon thinking of getting some cheaper braid line, Kumo, if i'm not mistaken about the brand, about rm 20+ my logic is u dont need to cast too far, get snag often, why spend on expensive line but then again, i might be wrong.....
I mainly use frog when there are too much snag and weeds for haruan. My best catch is in spoon and spinnerbait(janggut). The catch overall are bigger than frogs. Spinnerbait creates vibration which actracts the haruans. Spinnerbaits are also ideal for sparesly weed and when the weeds are 2ft. below the water surface, it shall hardly tangle againts it. I normally use muitliplier and a 6’6" team diawa if I use spoon or spinner baits
ikanbilis,
get the Ryobi Applause 4000. RM 160 is old price, but if u can get it now means good for u =) 1 spool fill it with 20lbs braid, the other with 50lbs braid. confirm, balak also can naik!
Those ol’skool haruan fisherman uses 8’ Ugly Stik! virtually unbreakable and strong! but then again now mostly made in China i think. Rods i recommend 2 pieces, maybe 6’6" or 7’ rods. poundage wise 12-20 to 15-30. if u have budget, u can try the shakespeare conoisseur or maybe berkley lighting(new model). its really strong
jaswon,
i agree with u, high pressured places are often hammered with live frogs. the haruans has gone on strike! so we use Mazzy frog and SMITH Dentos for weedy areas, and SMITH Multi Master Spinnerbaits for open areas. The results are astonishing! biggest hits we got on spinnerbaits are 2kg bujuk/2kg haruan. The average haruans we pull up on those plastic frogs are 1kg, and the amount of strikes it attracts are unbelievable
kill the friggin’ netters
IKAN BILIS BRO,
welcome to mfn,u can try use light tackle bcos u got haruan on light tackle is fun to fight with haruan
Its not the eating,its the catching that is fun!
thanks guys for all the info
now can go ‘shopping’ [:D]
quote:Depands on the type of fishing ground light equipment mean for open areas and not suitable for places which has a lot os snags. If used on snbags areas 50/50 chance of breaking the rods.
Originally posted by Doraemon
IKAN BILIS BRO, welcome to mfn,u can try use light tackle bcos u got haruan on light tackle is fun to fight with haruan
Its not the eating,its the catching that is fun!
quote:Haha! no one use Ugly stick anymore only old timers who hunts for haruan fries amongst the bushes growing above the water used it. The rod I mentioned earlier is a cabon composite rod and is tough and does'nt means is unbreakable. My best catch on spinnerbaits was a haruan 4kg. The record for me still stands until today. Frogs arh! only to those below 2kg. Never really got a bujuk of more than 2kg. Ideal place for bujuk and aruan is Tg. Karang river aka as Sg. Tinggi, must have a boat to fish. 3kg buggers are at the logging camp.Need to follow their train about 5-8 km up steam. Virtually virgin area to fish, no one goes there accept the logger.
Originally posted by wusharox
ikanbilis,get the Ryobi Applause 4000. RM 160 is old price, but if u can get it now means good for u =) 1 spool fill it with 20lbs braid, the other with 50lbs braid. confirm, balak also can naik!
Those ol’skool haruan fisherman uses 8’ Ugly Stik! virtually unbreakable and strong! but then again now mostly made in China i think. Rods i recommend 2 pieces, maybe 6’6" or 7’ rods. poundage wise 12-20 to 15-30. if u have budget, u can try the shakespeare conoisseur or maybe berkley lighting(new model). its really strong
jaswon,
i agree with u, high pressured places are often hammered with live frogs. the haruans has gone on strike! so we use Mazzy frog and SMITH Dentos for weedy areas, and SMITH Multi Master Spinnerbaits for open areas. The results are astonishing! biggest hits we got on spinnerbaits are 2kg bujuk/2kg haruan. The average haruans we pull up on those plastic frogs are 1kg, and the amount of strikes it attracts are unbelievable
kill the friggin’ netters
jaswon
what is your favorite colour and brand of spinner bait
and how u use it
quote:Black and silver dotting, green and yellow and black and red.
Originally posted by jaswonquote:
Originally posted by ikanbilis
jaswonwhat is your favorite colour and brand of spinner bait
and how u use it
but frog seem like get haruan faster… is it? cause i try spinner, never got one… till got frustrated with it… but when i use frog feel guilty when trying to hook it up… ha ha ha
Spinner bait is not spinner aslo known as janggut. I suppose it is more effective on haruan, cos it make the vibrations to attract the fish.
Jaswon is right. A spinnerbait is the number one lure for haruan. Try to get the Bomber Minibushwhacker. Jungle Bum like red and black. I like black and white or yellow and green. For some reason, the pure white one never catches anything for me.
But you will need a clear area to retrieve the thing. Perhaps the edge of a weedline. Need to get the spinner bait to sink down completely. Then retrieve at medium slow speed with rod tip pointing into the water.
If you are going some super snaggy spot, you best bet is still a frog, or a plastic worm if you are good at using it.
Better use braided line of 20lb and above, you need the strength to haul the fish out, but the line also has to be lightweight or you will retard the casting distance.
I have 2.. one with white and black. and the second one was yellow and black, but i never caught anything with this spinner. ya, just want to ask. The spinner did it have size?
The ones I like is the 5gm size. Just about 1.5 inches long. It’s just that I seem to get very good results when I use a spinnerbait slow and low in the water. I use just enough speed to feel the lures blade pulsating (you feel that strongly with braided line). So if I use a heavier spinnerbait, I end up dragging the thing in the mud when I retrieve slowly.
Some friends I know, however, are able to catch good fish with heavier spinnerbaits and fast retrieve. Their advantage will be distance. I feel that if I want distance and speed, I might as well use a diving lure or a spoon.
I actually like single colorado blade spinnerbaits rather than the tandem blades; stronger vibration. But hard to find small ones.