new to surfcasting...need help!

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hi guys…i recently marshaled a fishing tourney in penang and was really fascinated with all the surfcasting outfits that the participants were using…kinda being poisoned to start out this new way of fishing…would be quite a waste not to start surf since penang got plenty of beaches and i believe its potential has yet to be uncovered…

so my questions are…

1)what rod and reel to recommend?
2)length?
3)mono or braided lines?
4)poundage and line diameter?
5)weight of sinker?
6)what kind of rigs to use?

by the way…i would like to learn using the multiplier…though i’m more of a spinning guy… [:I] budget for both rod + reel = 1k

hope sifus/brothers/sisters/otai can help me out to start my surfcasting quest [:)]


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Only can give you some advise..

  1. Rod type = Telescopic, 2pcs , 3pcs in the market = Lemax, Timberwolf, Shimano is popular. Reel = Shimano, TICA, Daiwa..
  2. Rod length = 12 ft to 18ft..
  3. Mono & Braided also ok, depends on your budget..
  4. I used 10lb to 15lb Mono - Berkley Big Game.. Sufficient.. too thick in diameter effect your casting distance
  5. from No. 2to No.10.. You can add few smaller sinker.. to get the correct weight for beginner. (Rod & line effect)
  6. Any rigs you can buy from shop or self made.. Applolo type - 2-3 hooks, Y type =single hook.. about 1-.5mtr in lgth & sinker about 4-5" lgth..

Above is what I have and currently practised now. It differ from each & every angler at every nooks & corner.

Enjoy the fishing process… including fish borrowed for photoshot…

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quote:
Originally posted by BigBite88
hi guys...i recently marshaled a fishing tourney in penang and was really fascinated with all the surfcasting outfits that the participants were using...kinda being poisoned to start out this new way of fishing...would be quite a waste not to start surf since penang got plenty of beaches and i believe its potential has yet to be uncovered...

so my questions are…

1)what rod and reel to recommend?
2)length?
3)mono or braided lines?
4)poundage and line diameter?
5)weight of sinker?
6)what kind of rigs to use?

by the way…i would like to learn using the multiplier…though i’m more of a spinning guy… [:I] budget for both rod + reel = 1k

hope sifus/brothers/sisters/otai can help me out to start my surfcasting quest [:)]


http://longkanggang.blogspot.com
http://www.pmppfishing.org

If I were U, I will do this:

1)Buy a 2pcs joint rod about 12 to 13ft long. Beach caster this lenght is good enough. Too long U will find problem on casting if the spot U fish is not big enough. A telescopic rod only good for travelling. A 2pcs joint rod will gave U the power to cast long distance n fight a big fish with ease or winding back the sinker on a rocky terrain.
2) If U are going for a multiplyier reel than I think the Okuma Convector CV25 or CV30cs. I have just try this reel and it prove super for beach fishing. The gear ratio of 6.2:1 is super fast on winding back line. It didn’t feel the heavy load as other high speed reel had. Moreover this reel is available in Malaysia.
3)Line I will recommended U use minimum 20lbs mono line. The 20lbs 0.45mm is just nice to withstand the powerful friction cause by surfcasting. Thinner line will breakoff easily unless U take the trouble to joint a leader. Braided is not recomend for multiplyier as it will seep into the deeper layer of line in your spool under preasure when U wind back your line. This will affect the line running out during casting.
4)If U buy this 2pcs joint rod then U need size 4,5 and 6 bullet shape sinker. The shape will help streamline the sinker fly out and easy on winding back.
5)For target small fish a two hooks short snood one up one down apollo rig is the standard practice. If U want to use big bait to target big fish, a long snood bottom feeder rig is better. But best to use only during a good running tide.

hope I have answer your query. If still don’t understand, go to my site. U will find alot of answer there. Especially the Q n A on surfcasting.


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Shoreangler:

Where to buy the Okuma Convector CV25 or CV30cs?

Thanks.

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quote:
Originally posted by StarTrek
Shoreangler:

Where to buy the Okuma Convector CV25 or CV30cs?

Thanks.

TCE enterprise is the agent for okuma in Malaysia. Think the company is base in penang or perak as i am not so sure. Check with your local tackle shop. Else U can get it from Siow Chiang Johore Bahru. If can’t get the Okuma, then my second choice is the Abu 7000 or 7500. Its another super tested reel for beach fishing.


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thanks a lot guys for the valuable input…any recommendations on good surf rods?is there such thing as ratings like normal fishing rods eg; 12-25lbs…for example if i do get the CV25,then what rod to match with it…im not a fan of heavy reels so i like to keep my tackle as light as possible…hehe

bro shoreangler…with the 20lbs line,there’s no need to put any shock leaders?your website is very informative…thanks a heaps once again…


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quote:
Originally posted by BigBite88
thanks a lot guys for the valuable input...any recommendations on good surf rods?is there such thing as ratings like normal fishing rods eg; 12-25lbs...for example if i do get the CV25,then what rod to match with it...im not a fan of heavy reels so i like to keep my tackle as light as possible...hehe

bro shoreangler…with the 20lbs line,there’s no need to put any shock leaders?your website is very informative…thanks a heaps once again…


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Not very sure of what brand surf rod available there. But I think U can try to get the ATC surf rod. In Singapore they have three range.
1)ATC platanium surf 12ft.(Green wrapping) This rod is good enough to handle anything from the beach. It work like the former Penn Powergraph surf.
2)ATC Platanium surf 13ft.(Red wrapping) slightly longer and it like the former Penn Inx groundcast.
3) ATC Platanium surf 14ft(Yellow wrapping) It replace the former Penn PPT range of rod.
Think U should be able to get it at Siow Chiang JB.

Yup 20lbs line is good enough to handle the casting impact on fishing unless U are talking about powerful tournament casting. But if U want to joint a leader on it why not?
A slightly bigger reel is always better. It help to wind up line faster when the place is more rough. Small little reel only can work on clean beach. If the place is rocky, U will find very troublesome and U not going to just fish on a clean beach all the while right ?


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shoreangler,

Thanks for the info about surf casting. Last night I was just discussing with spidershaft on this topic as we don’t have much info. What’s the price for the ATC rod you mention ? Tks.

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Shore angler.. Thank you for your valuable info.. It educates me as well… Thanks again, buddy…

Enjoy the fishing process… including fish borrowed for photoshot…

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bro shoreangler,thanks for the great feedback again.we do have siow chiang in penang too so i believe they do stock up such models that you have mentioned.of the three ranges that you mentioned,what are the differences?the rod’s flimsiness?i havent seen or tested the Penn rods as you have mentioned so it’s kinda tough for me to understand how the ATC rods work like Penn’s.perhaps you can kindly enlighten me…

sorry for the mountain load of questions but i seriously have zero idea of whats surfcasting is all about…just willing to learn more from you and the rest of the sifus here…thanks again


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ATC = will not suit you bro, but if you’re gone to cast it with pendulum technique or really want to put your bait a long way, go for it.The design is not like common surf rod that available in the whole country, it’s more for powercast rod.Shimano Horizon Surf Game = i think this will suit everybody that new into this surfcasting easy to handle)unless if you later then interested to go for distance, grap that ATC,

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quote:
Originally posted by BigBite88
bro shoreangler,thanks for the great feedback again.we do have siow chiang in penang too so i believe they do stock up such models that you have mentioned.of the three ranges that you mentioned,what are the differences?the rod's flimsiness?i havent seen or tested the Penn rods as you have mentioned so it's kinda tough for me to understand how the ATC rods work like Penn's.perhaps you can kindly enlighten me...

sorry for the mountain load of questions but i seriously have zero idea of whats surfcasting is all about…just willing to learn more from you and the rest of the sifus here…thanks again


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No problem guys. I am happy to share what I had known or what I had try and tested. I speak on what I had learn from practical knowledge and not by reading magazine or website.

Ok,ATC formerly was call SureCatch brand. According to the boss, the blank was make in Malaysia. So far they have come out a few surf rod. The first was call Surecatch supersurf 12ft. Follow by the 12ft Thunder rod and later the 13ft pro beach. I had all tested them. Now they come out the ATC three platanium rod which I had mention. All three are good for casting and fishing. The blank is the same as what the Penn range of rod is. The price in Singapore is from the green wapping 12ft of S$150.00 to the yellow wrapping of $ 300 plus. The red wrapping is somewhere in between. However sometime they had offer of discount 20% during sale.
Although I didn’t cast this new rod but I had cast their previous blank under the Penn Brand. All three rod have good back bone and should range from medium to firm. They are not sloppy rod that bend easily. For multiplyier rod it is just nice. Too soft a rod pair with a multiplyier U can cast far.


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Shoreangler,

Can you let me know for beginners is it better to get a stiffer rod ? How could we know which is best ? What will be a better spinning reel for the setup you suggested ?

leadhunter,

Can you let us know what is the characteristic of this Shimano horizon surf game rod ? Stiff or flexable?

Bigbite 88,

Where u normally go fishing ? I’m oso in Penang (mainland) but normally go to Tambun for pelabuk. Maybe we could get intouch and yam char e-mail me yr phone no kowkl@yahoo.com

Thanks to all sifu for the info.

Cheers

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wah…dilemma…dilemma… [xx(] i guess everyone had this feeling when they start something new… [B)]

bro leadhunters,
thank you for your reply.please kindly enlighten me why is it that the ATC is not beginner friendly compared to the shimano horizon surf game?i tried googling what is a power cast rod but i can’t seem to find an answer for it.besides,the pendulum technique that you mentioned is like what you did in the video?normal overhead cast can’t achieve the distance or is it too difficult with the ATC rod?judging from your vast experience in distance casting,your advice will be very valuable to us newbies.lastly,any nice reels to recommend(both multipliers and spinning)?

bro shore angler,
from your experience with the great numbers of rods that you have tested,what are the good Penn rods then?due to the lack of popularity in surfcasting in penang,i may be able to grab hold of a good Penn rod…who knows? [:)] oh yeah…bout the okuma reel,is it better in your opinion to get the cv25 or cv30?

P/S : thank you sifus for the great advices…


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bro wirakl…pls check your mail… [;)]


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Guys, What U need to do is to find a rod that suit the type of fishing U are going after and not how good is the rod. Stiff rod or soft rod U have to learn to cast it. Practice more and U will get use to it.
My opinion is for multiplyier U need a stiffer rod to cast. For spinning U need a more flexiable rod to cast. This is what I had learn from experience.

Waraki…For surfcast, U need a long cast spool spinning reel and should be size 5000 to 6000 type so that U can hold enough line. As for which brand to choose, it all depend on your budget. If U are a beginner than I suggest U just get a resonable one will do. Shimano, Daiwa, roybi,Penn,Tica and Surecatch all have some very good longcast spool reel. Check it out on your local tackle shop.

BigBite88…As U mention U want to use multiplyier that why I recommended U the three ATC rod. All three are good as I mention they are the same blank as the Penn. Only is the lenght different. U have to decide yourself which one to buy as U are the one that going to cast and fish. But if U are tall enough(6ft) then go for the 13ft. If not just take the 12ft will be nice. As for the okuma reel,if U want more n thicker line then take the 30 otherwise the 25 is good enough.


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leadhunter,

Can you let us know what is the characteristic of this Shimano horizon surf game rod ? Stiff or flexable?

it’s user friendly bro, and suit with newbie that doesnt build up the power stroke yet, means you can cast it as soon as you leave the tackle shop without later having trouble to cast with it.Power, action = just nice/enough.

bro leadhunters,
thank you for your reply.please kindly enlighten me why is it that the ATC is not beginner friendly compared to the shimano horizon surf game?

as said, the design is according to powercast rod = ATC not slim, but the most important, you need to cast it with the right weight and a bit of confidence to handle cause in my experience this rod will not react with lead that below 150gm and to bend it, a pendulum technique is required, well surf game = slim, good bite detection for small fish, react with 100gm lead, and will suit all casting technique and that is including sukahati technique.

i tried googling what is a power cast rod but i can’t seem to find an answer for it.besides,the pendulum technique that you mentioned is like what you did in the video?

YESSSZAA. For me power cast rod mean = the rod that can be cast 200m+++ using pendulum technique without worrying it will broke and this rod is not like an ordinary because it can torn your muscle.

normal overhead cast can’t achieve the distance or is it too difficult with the ATC rod?

Overhead = NO WAY, but UNITECH/BRIGHTON = will help some, this rod has fast action, high pick up, believe me when you own one.Need more practice to handle it.

judging from your vast experience in distance casting,your advice will be very valuable to us newbies.lastly,any nice reels to recommend(both multipliers and spinning)?

just want to say, go for slimmer rod if youre not going for distance competition, and multiplier is the best to start with as it will cut you more effort.

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leadhunter,

Tks for all the info and but the only think about multiplier is the “char bee hoon” which I’m so afraid off. I’ve just got my baitcaster and have not got time to practice it yet. I’ve got one multiplier, non branded frm Japan. I’ve got it almost more than 15 year all solid aluminium body not sure if can work. It says bottom fishing on the box. Can ?

Tks all the sifu for their feedback.

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Nothing to said, practice is the cure…
BTW i invited all the forumers this 27DEC08 Saturday to Pantai Acheh Klang (Pulau Indah) for live view of distance surfcasting.

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leadhunter,

To practice is it better to do it in the field or just go to the beach and “Just Do It” ? I’m planning to buy 20lb line and spool up my multiplyer and then practice. Is it a good idea ? Of course with the 12’ rod you recommended ?

Tks.