Rod Blank

Hi all. this day there is so many name in the shop that selling rods blank with so many name and origin. what I’m willing to know is how we really can get to know is it really a good blank or its just a popularity of the manufacturer ( surely because of superb promotion on the magazine web or other term ). the higher the price the better its quality? or its just a name.?[}:)]
search all from jb to kl we can saw so many names. sometime with unreasonable price (or our ringgit is climbing down ) so is there any one by its experience can list out a good name (manufacturer) with a good quality and ranged that suitable with budget and quality.

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don’t have much (relevant) experience
i believe it comes back to basics:
a) need(s) + intended use
b) budget

anything else/more is just shiok sendiri to a very large extent (my personal opinion)
branded blanks use, carry proprietary tech and materials they developed over time using lotsa $$$ … relatively justifiable

i don’t mind paying rm100-300+ for a mudhole, xzoga or TS blank
but i sure ain’t gonna fork out rm1300 for a GLoomis blank
priorities, i guess [:p]

At a glance, Mudhole carries more than 4000 rod blanks
to choose from, prices range from usd15.00 to well
over usd600.00 which is more than RM1800.00.
Everyone has the option to purchase online, if one
feels that the good quality blanks sold locally at
around RM250.OO-RM300.00+ IS TOO EXPENSIVE, not
forgetting the predicament of courier cost and
warranty claim if you buy online.
There are many el cheapo blanks selling
locally, but is it worth your trouble of spending
hours of your precious handicraft on a cheap rod
blank which you do not know how reliable it is ??
Unless your workmanship is as cheap as the cheap
rod blank you have the right to do it at your own
leisure and not to complain about other expensive
blanks. Period.

Practice Bag limit, catch & relocate

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is there any comparison between our local blank and other imported blank. they all claim there are from japan or us or other country such as china and Taiwan. can anyone show us the locally made blank? what are the manufacturer and is it really locally made.? yes what ah cheong said is true. but what uncle said is surely true. I’m also doesn’t want to spend hours on too cheap blank that i doesn’t know how good enough is the blank. it also can ruin our own reputation if it breaks…ayaks.. but how we can know if the blanks don’t had a sign on it?

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Well.. the bottom line is that never expect a good blank to be cheap.. and average priced blank are not of that bad quality as well… [:D]

Well, your budget speaks all.. You can spend millions on your rod blank and component or recycle all those used parts from broken rods or other stuffs… Some rod builder also diy themselves too, to serve their “lust” of craftsmanship..

If not from those hardcore rod builders and their diys rod components (I am taking Matagi’s hostory), how come Matagi and other rod component manufacturer manage to produce & sell those custom rod parts in the first place…

if your creative enough, you might create a new aftermarket rod component too..

Ok sorry, back to your rod blanks… As I say, depends on your budget bro.. Uncle Thomas, Bro Fisher and bro ACheong has their point.. You spend cheap, end up cheap and vise-versa.. But if you enjoys so much of this craft, who care the hell the rod looks like..

Its “YOUR” rod ma.. Priceless.. Cheers..

p.s: sori if U found this is hopeless, useless, pointless and meaningless replies.. Its only 0.2 cents of my opinion.. Cheers and catch more fish, if you manage to build one.. ^^

Born to Cast,
Live to Fish,
Force to Work.

Matagi manufactures a wide range of superb components for rod builders world wide. China do make rod components too, widely used in factory production rods. One thing I know is that good blanks with good quality components plus reliable craftsmanship never come cheap. Simple analysis:
a] average good rod blank about rm300.00
b] ALPS REEL SEAT ABOUT RM100.00/PC
c] average density eva about rm40.00/pc
d] spacer plus other components [blings/wc] about rm100.00
e] gimbals whether fuji or other brands about rm40.00
f] fuji sic k series about rm200.00 per set
g] threads and epoxy about rm10.00

The above components give a total of RM790.00 WITHOUT WORKMANSHIP, NOW YOU TELL ME, HOW DO YOU RATE YOUR CRAFTSMANSHIP AND HOW DO YOU WANT TO PUT THE SELLING PRICE
OF YOUR ROD?? YOU DECIDE.

Practice Bag limit, catch & relocate

Email: thomaslee@jdartac.com
http://www.thomas-stroker.com/

quote:
Originally posted by thomas lee
Matagi manufactures a wide range of superb components for rod builders world wide. China do make rod components too, widely used in factory production rods. One thing I know is that good blanks with good quality components plus reliable craftsmanship never come cheap. Simple analysis: a] average good rod blank about rm300.00 b] ALPS REEL SEAT ABOUT RM100.00/PC c] average density eva about rm40.00/pc d] spacer plus other components [blings/wc] about rm100.00 e] gimbals whether fuji or other brands about rm40.00 f] fuji sic k series about rm200.00 per set g] threads and epoxy about rm10.00

The above components give a total of RM790.00 WITHOUT WORKMANSHIP, NOW YOU TELL ME, HOW DO YOU RATE YOUR CRAFTSMANSHIP AND HOW DO YOU WANT TO PUT THE SELLING PRICE
OF YOUR ROD?? YOU DECIDE.

Practice Bag limit, catch & relocate

Email: thomaslee@jdartac.com
http://www.thomas-stroker.com/


i have 1 question. sorry if it out of topic. let say i have 1 black rod blank. can i paint it to another color. and what kind/type or paint should i use. and do i need to coat it with epoxy after i paint it or can use clear paint spray.

Hi All,

Good evening..

Sorry Uncle if I mistakenly create some tense here.. Hope you can forgive me, if I have create some misunderstanding..

Born to Cast,
Live to Fish,
Force to Work.

quote:
Originally posted by Hooi
Well, your budget speaks all.. You can spend millions on your rod blank and component or recycle all those used parts from broken rods or other stuffs... Some rod builder also diy themselves too, to serve their "lust" of craftsmanship..

If not from those hardcore rod builders and their diys rod components (I am taking Matagi’s hostory), how come Matagi and other rod component manufacturer manage to produce & sell those custom rod parts in the first place…

if your creative enough, you might create a new aftermarket rod component too..

Ok sorry, back to your rod blanks… As I say, depends on your budget bro.. Uncle Thomas, Bro Fisher and bro ACheong has their point.. You spend cheap, end up cheap and vise-versa.. But if you enjoys so much of this craft, who care the hell the rod looks like..

Its “YOUR” rod ma.. Priceless.. Cheers..

p.s: sori if U found this is hopeless, useless, pointless and meaningless replies.. Its only 0.2 cents of my opinion.. Cheers and catch more fish, if you manage to build one.. ^^

Born to Cast,
Live to Fish,
Force to Work.


I am amazed if one can establish himself as a rod builder by using recycled components from broken rods, are there many broken rods in the market ?? Who do you sell your rods to ?? One thing I know is that I am not going to put my hard earned money on a rod made from recycled parts [:0][:0][:0]

Practice Bag limit, catch & relocate

Email: thomaslee@jdartac.com
http://www.thomas-stroker.com/

Hi.. I am not a rod builder, hehehe.. I just share some point that if we have very very low budget, but cannot stand the itchy hand to do build their own rod, why not using old and recycle rod part from our broken rod ( I just believe we have to struggle to throw away the broken rod, hehehehe)..

I meet alot of nice kakis in my hometown Kedah who even use old parang handle and convert it to be rod handle.. Hmmm.. Just my 0.2 cent of points… Cheers..

Born to Cast,
Live to Fish,
Force to Work.

absolutely agree with Unc Thomas
good thing no come cheap [:D]
can only complain bout personal lack of $$$ [V][:D]

it’s understandable we want something worthwhile
all the more we want assurance the item we purchased (online or otherwise) is worth it or up to expectation
every brand has its low to med to high range - tengok budget je
can only say: nothing’s absolute or 100%

we can pay a premium (less or more is by choice/budget restraints) for a reputable item
that premium usually includes some sort of warranty for relative peace of mind - again, nothing’s absolute

300+ for a blank is not that expensive (but it is to me) when compared to higher end of the spectrum (for those who can afford)
even so, that blank is more than good enuff for me cosidering the (in)frequency of my fishing [:p]

we pay:
a) for good material
b) for good workmanship
c) even more for higher end materials (be it the same brand or not)
d) even more for complicated workmanship
so, do some homework
weigh your options
jes’ do it! [:D]

as for building from cannibalised parts, i can only say ‘do it as practise runs’ - once you’ve gained an acceptable degree of proficiency, INVEST [:D]
so that your end product is no longer merely a work of art/passion but also a worthy/valuable work of art/passion

priorities [8D]
i believe Unc Thomas has blanks in the rm800-1500 and higher region
say i’m willing (crazy enuff [:p]) to pay for one, how often do i fish?
say i don’t mind, then that is shiok sendiri … i just want something good to call my own
but for many others, that is an investment for their upcoming trip(s)

priorities

opss everyone its become hotter here.. Yes I’m already made more then one blank into one rods ( thanks to uncle Thomas ) I’ve managed to build one.. what I’m try to ask is there anyone can list out a good name of blank and the ranged. become a rod builder is just one good hobby and good for pocket too. but what can i see’ know the shop already saw the potential of selling this good blank..then tah dari mana all the price pop out like hell.. i think this can kill the instinct of new comer. am I’m right. for me actually I’ll doesn’t mind paying $$$ when i know the quality. but is there any manufacturer inside Malaysia that build up their own name as good as other blank in the market? or is it all the same. i know a good blank come from a good name of manufacturer. I’ll know also the manufacturer done an investment thousand of dollars to build one good blank.
from a childhood i’ve heard a good name such as shimano daiwaa reel..knowdays heard much2 more. yes it depends on budget. once is there a shop in Muar johor selling blanks sampai berhabuk. then suddenly all gone.. jeng2 knowdays when i’ll ask for blanks…ouch rm rm rm. lots of rm for single blank. then the trends goes out from south to north. is it suppose the d.i.y blank is the alternative to get a good rods with half of the price?

New Angler On The Line.. fish for life.. Rods building is an art!

bro arteza,

end of the day still comes back to urpockets and/or our willingness to rip our pockets or not [:D]

you find a blank you like?
how much?
you looking for a particular brand or specs for a particular blank?
again, how much and also, how much you willing to pay, or willing to pay or not?
failing which, would you settle for alternatives that may be of similar specs but cheaper?

tu jer … we may have fans of brands and may endorse or recommend wot we like or have found to be good, reliable, value for money, etc
ultimately, you are the end purchaser and user - it must make you happy regardless of brand
if a recommended (brand of) blank snaps on you … how?
blank QC fail? angler fault? brand no good?

homework, shop till you drop, then buy and do it up
all cars have drive train, four wheels, doors, windows, brakes, etc
but the type and number of features determine the price of the vehicle
sama jer … which one fits your needs and pockets?

friends and acquaintances have broken cheap AND expensive rods: shimanos, daiwas, JDM enthusiast brands - are they bad then?
we pay for quality, generally. nothing is 100%.

since you can do your own rods, if i were you, i’d spend a bit more on a good blank, guides and reel seat. it may not halve the total pricing to half of retail but it’ll definitely save.

indeed i’m agree..

New Angler On The Line.. fish for life.. Rods building is an art!

(i know i am so out of topic) [:D]

i could write an article out of this, but i am not in the circle of rodbuilders as yet, and thus have no authority on rodbuilding. here’s the lowdown; i build rods, mostly for my own perusal, and have been doing so since 2005. i do build some for my friends once a while. i’d call myself an amateur rodbuilder with very little experience but with lots of passion. i do not consider my rods to be very advanced or state-of-the-art. i simply consider them tailored to do the things they’re intended to. i consider rodbuilding to be an addictive ‘dark art’ that is very rewarding when its done right.

i learnt it the hard way. due to inexperience in fishing, i have broken quite a number of rods. curiosity led me to dissect them. it is during the dissection that i learnt how rods were put together, how they broke, what makes an expensive rod expensive, and how some great rods managed to keep the costs low. and from here, i learnt how to carefully seperate the components from the blank without damaging the blanks. this proves to be very useful when refurbishing favorite rods.

first question, why build a rod when there’s so many on the shelves already? cost? design? something not right about it(to you)? you prefer a longer butt? you prefer another colour? there are thousands of reasons.

ask yourself 1st what is your own priority in choosing a rod. the general dictum ‘cheap thing no good, good thing no cheeap’ holds true for MOST cases. i say MOST because there are some dark horses around that are great rods, but totally underestimated (when put to the right implementation)

as uncle thomas has pointed out, customizing a rod for yourself don’t come cheap. if its cheap then something’s gotta give. but then again, charging too highly for a custom rod may deter some. so be realistic, if you want something exclusive, highly personalized, top of the range, then be prepared for it. if not, i suggest just go and get whatever’s on the shelf.

ROD BLANKS. that is the main question. cheap blanks, expensive blanks… if graphite, how many percent graphite? stiffness? power? overall weight of rod? balance? extra-fast action? slow, parabolic curve? lifting power? IM6 to IM9, 30-tonne graphite etc…too many parameters to specify…pening leh!

let’s not get to where the blanks are made yet. now, most of them come from china anyway. MOST. the probability of any fishing rod that a general angler might have coming from china is about a good 60-75% if not more. the other bulk are from Japan, USA, Indonesia, Korea and Malaysia (i know i missed out some other countries but u get the idea)

yeah, so i’ve diverted from the main topic. BLANKS. you may have come across many terms some major industry players use to describe teir blanks. SVF graphite, cross-scrim, multi-layer bias laminate, aramid veil and so on. from my memory, pre-preg graphite sheets are rolled on tapered steel mandrels in variable layers and different configurations(longitudinal,horizontal or oblique) to create certain action/power etc or to reinforce certain areas of the blanks(such as spigot joints), and then baked to fuse the resin within the carbon sheets, creating the blanks. addition of titanium fibers, kevlar and other reinforcing materials may be added to make the blanks stand out from the others. more layers of carbon sheets, thicker-walled blanks, and vice versa. very intricate process to specify how a rod blank behaves.

depending on amount of carbon used in the blanks, flexibility and stiffness can be modulated. flexible rods are not as sensitive as stiffer ones. stiffer rods are more brittle. lighter rods are usually thin walled…and so on, with regards to regular rod blanks. more resin used in the blanks=heavier blanks. so if you want something that is light, strong, sensitive…think of how the blank may be constructed. it won’t come cheap as it will need reinforcements and additional exotic material to build, reduced-resin high density carbon…etc

take the St Croix rods for example(i am neither an agent nor an affiliate to them, for record keeping. they are just easier to relate to, for me at least): SCI–>SCII–>SCIII–>SCIV–>SCV. price is higher towards SCV. carbon content is more in SCV. SCV is more crisp than SCII. you get the idea. that being said, SCI-SCII is more forgiving.

your fishing style may not need all the sensitivity in the world for all you care. you are a haruan hunter who stalks the bushes and swamps with your mesin katak and yanks the haruan ouf of the water with thousands of kilos of drag on you reel and 100lb braid. ok i was exaggerating. you don’t need an SCV, or even an SCI for that matter. you need a fiberglass rod. sarcasm aside, if you ask me to build a rod for you just for exclusivity, i would not offer you a high-modulus graphite rod, based on your type/style of fishing. this is a very important information to relay to you custom rod-builder. there are people who spend over RM1K for a SC legend elite and complain that it is a lousy rod because it broke during fishing. the onus is on you. understand what you are buying. if you don’t, then you don’t understand yourself. stop wasting money like that and donate to the Japan Earthquake Fund instead!

a good rodbuilder asks what his customer wants, not sell them what he has and tells them this is what they need, so ask yourself again what you want before going ahead. is it for exclusivity, by customizing the rod with expensive, rare components to stand out from the crowd? is it to improve castability? is it to maximize the rod’s power? only you yourself can answer that question.

happy rodbuilding.

p/s: feel free to ‘taruk’ as we all need a bit of excitement around. [:D] hope to exchange views and ideas as well with the local reputable and reknowned rodbuilders around, and also understand the general fishing public’s views on custom rods.

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now that is an utterly good piece of thought sharing and very well articulated write up.

ps: which is the best blank in your view?? LOLOL

LOLOLOL … back to same old question again.
personally, the blank that does the job consistently and did not cost me an arm + a leg [:p]

FT, salute as usual.

thanks people for tuning in.

what’s the best blank? hhahahahah…that’s the thousand dollar question.

if i have it my way, i would have a rod for each and every application that i do. i would love to have;[:D]

rods for different lures: topwater, cranks, jerkbaits, spoons etc
rods for different lines: braids, mono, co-polymr, fluorocarbon etc
rods for baitfishing
rods for bottom fishing
rods for float fishing
rods for different poundage
rods for pond fishing
rods for jigging, light to heavy
rods for popping, light to heavy

FORKS. dinner fork, shrimp fork, salad fork, carving fork, cocktail fork, meat fork, fish fork,…WAHT THE FORK? [:D] they come in different shapes and sizes. for different applications. but still a fork. get the idea? some are not so particular, a fork is a fork. some use one fork for all their eating needs, there is no wrong in that. some have many forks for their many eating needs. some have a few. some don’t use utensils at all.

finicky. almost impossible to satisfy(but not to some) this innate desire. so how? give ad take lor… cannot have everything your way.

i’ll try to describe certain characteristics i look for when choosing blanks.

example,for toman fishing with crankbaits, i prefer a slower action rod to allow for the fish to bite on before i set the hook. sensitivity is not the mot important criteria to me. i prefer something in the range of 8-16 and 10-20lb with a good curve down to the butt, to impart some flex in to the fight, and wear the fish out. not much action will be imparted in the fishing i.e cast and just crank. and due to repeated casts, i’d prefer something light or more balanced to reduce fatigue on my puny wrists. as i usually fish from a boat, i prefer something more maneuverable like a 6’-6’6" stick. and since there will not be much wristwork involed to impart action on the lure, i prefer a longer rear handle for powercasts and general handling, to kepit under the arm when fighting a hard-hitting quarry like the toman. i may opt for a split grip design to reduce some amount of weight, and for a blank-thru reel seat to increase some sensitivity in this insensitive rod.

based on these, i may settle for an IM6 rod or a hybrid carbon-fiberglass rod. a rod of these characteristics can also double to use for casting kembung for tenggiri fishing. killed 2 birds with a stone. i find the SCII blanks to be wonderful for these applications. again, i do not represent SC. i so happen to have 2 or 3 SC rods in my rod rack that i often use, for reference’s sake. some old rods like the Penn Powergraph IM6 rods fit the criteria as well. i have a few that i have redone and replaced the guides, reel seats and grips. the cheap and cheerful Rapala Sportsmen Classic is another example.

and since these are my own rods for my own use, i don’t mind putting my own time & effort in rebuilding them. i rebuild them very simply and neatly, keeping in mind that i may replace certain components like guides and worn grips when the time comes.

[:D]

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love sc too.. but there are info that that the blanks for build it our self to expensive. is it true? more than 600++ per blank? is it possible to get get it here in jb? what are the price.. ok guys sifu of all rods builder. there a lot of spec n brand for one rods… so know let me start for the lightweight casting and spinning blank that affordable here in Malaysia.. ok please introduce to all forum-er here what are the spec that worth it to buy and rebuild…coz a lots of brand coming on the way know..then step by step to saltwater fishing. show us the newbies like me the way to pick up the rods…
im fully understand what are all the builder try to tell.. but what i really want to knows know how to pick it up

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