New thread here for us to discuss about guides of your choice, performance, dis/advantages and opinion on the most vital organ of the rod… which is undisputedly the key component and unavoidable part in fishing tackle industry, well cept for maybe pole fishing(most do have a first guide) or the infamous koyan(handline)
Some says this or that the best la, lightest la, durable la, useless la, can spoil the fastest la. Some swear by those olden days ‘recoil’ guides cos can cast furthest la… here’s definitely a brand new platform to discuss bout them!
Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you
pls add in the illustration of the guides ring u posted on ‘thinnest line’ thread here thank u, so those interested can hav a better understanding of guide’s ring
WELL let’s start the ball running, however before that… i would like to know and let everyone know that rod guides and rod rings are 2 separate things right, is it tat way? moderator pls help… for all i know the ring is the inner circle of the guide where line pass thru, while the outer part that holds the ring is called the leg? The guides is both the leg and the ring as a whole, correct???
Most guides have rings while some don’t, like the recoil guides! What is the issue(dis/advantages) on the non-ring guides?
Well, tat’s a lot of question so i will just stop here and reserve the rest for other day
Thank you very much
Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you
quote:Originally posted by acheong Mike's right [:)]
Rods with guides that can’t take braid will see the guide rings cut into … say bye bye to your guides [:(]
most rods now carry the Fuji/SIC guide label, they’re OK.
as F3T3 has mentioned, alconite guides are tops, but then again, they COST [:p]
nyamaoan,
read up, check out and where possible, fish with kakis using braid - then you can try it out (ask to try lor [^])
some swear AT spiderwire
some swear BY it [:p]
muh 20lb camo is the same diameter as 6lb mono
i shall in all likelihood swear at myself if anything happens. ain’t the fault of the line, more my fault for not checking or not tying properly.
some swear by trilene, sufix, powerpro (some complain noisy), no hard and fast rule. find out which works best for YOU and stick to it.
read the defier line by shimano is good but haven’t tried it yet.
Hey bro, sorry for out of topic guys
Wait a min may i know lil bout guides… but arent alconite are cheaper compare to sic… and then more expensive comes titanium sic… just wanna know
Thanks
Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you
Just learn something today. No matter how good the guides can be…if NOT in proper position or NOT sufficient = hopeless rods.
1] Not in proper position = not properly alined to backbone of the rod = twist = no strength = fiction = rod or line snap
2] Insufficient guides = line rubbing against rod body = heat = line snap or rod failure. Tats y BC rods have more guide than spin rods</font id=“purple”>
some old-school rodbuilders have their own formula of success, but the Fuji guys have done much R&D in their line of work. some may say it’s a sales gimmick(aren’t they all? hehehe), but if it works for you, then it has to hold some water, right?
FT,
Went thru the websites you posted. I think it definately hold some water, at least in teory. However more guides = more cost too. Further to this, more or too many guides made the rod looks horrible. I have seen a 6’ BC rod with 9 guides recently. It definately look horrible in my book of thought. In fact I thought this fella must be crazy to put so many guides on the rod. Maybe now I should test drive it to see if what these fuji guys said is true.</font id=“purple”>
For fishos who do not want any guides - have a look at the Daiwa Interliners ( cannot remember the exact name of the ones I have in the house ) - no guides, but a hardened tip only !
Have tested them in the payponds - no scientific measurement, but I think that it loses out about 10 - 20 feet compared to a conventional rod of the same specs. This was not so noticeable with new braids when they were a bit more stiff and waterproof.
Looks neat on a boat - less line and things to flap about when you get the sea wind right in your face. [:)]
If I m not wrong, Daiwa is the only company that came out with Interline rods aka guideless rods but its not popular. Dont know why not popular…maybe price high? Whats your take on your interline rod?</font id=“purple”>
the interline rods, i’ve got lots to disapprove of it.
imgaine the rod is 6-footer. the amount of line within the rod is about 4 & 1/2 feet(from the point of entry to exit). at any one time, there is 4 1/2 feet of line touching the inside of the rod. read FRICTION.
how smooth is are the inner walls of the blank?
i know the entry guide is SiC, and so is the Tip Top.
while the line is kept close to the blank and maximizes rod potential usage true to its natural curve, the friction caused between contact of line & blank is not negligible. braids may evn damage the inner wall of the blank, and a damaged blank will damage the line.
FT - have not used them for some time - and that speaks for itself I imagine ! They were more of a novelty for me when I was still drawing a monthly salary a long time ago.
Well, they actually have " rings " on the inside of the blank, to keep the line from sticking to the sides. The inside of the blank is deliberately made not smooth - but you have to tip them to remove any water that inevitably collects inside !
Don’t get me wrong - I am not recommending them to anyone - just trying to show that some people have actually designed and sold a rod without any guides.
Wow wow interline!!! Yup i almost forgot bout it, can’t wait for part 2 FT bro…
U see i hav seen one matt black interline one pcs daiwa rod before, real cool, nice, sexy, sleek, powerful etc etc… too bad i dun hav money tat time and before long someone took it edi… wat a bummer! Should hav took it when it’s still there, now so filled with regret, sumtimes i still dreeams about it and broke out in cold sweat in the middle of the night and… ok cut cut too much drama
Anyway just wanna know if anyone seen the interline daiwa rod i mention before or not, matt black blank(very special cos the rest of the daiwa interline are silver in colour), eva twistlock fore grip and cork butt grip… looks superb. However wat’s gone is gone i hope FT part 2 verdict would ease my regrets a lil hahahahaha
Btw mike bro, nowadays other company too hav copied daiwa interline liao… seen some surf fishing and deep sea game fishing rod from dunno wat brand hav gone interline… the deep sea rod looks sturdy to say the least, since it’s typical la, short ma, less line inside also!
In short, i wonder how the function and wat’s their flaws and some unknown advantages to it!
Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you
" In short, i wonder how the function and wat’s their flaws and some unknown advantages to it! " - TJS
Unfortunately I never used them ( mine are the Silver ones ) long enough to give an honest objective opinion.
They just looked weird, felt weird - but I enjoyed my sifu in Teluk Panglima Garang saying " Wah … you camo banyak best … line pun tidak boleh lihat ? " [:D]
I hv asked some tackle shop lou chiau [old bird] about the interliner. They said that the interliner is made with special designed sic guides incorporated into the blank. It seem that the inside of the hollow section is coated with teflon for smoothness and durability. Dont know true or not la[;)]</font id=“purple”>
2 yrs ago heard again bout them marketed in state on their surf line,saltiga balistic…i am not sure either its the new improved or still the old one.
lately saw them advertised in modern fishing for daiwa o.z. with new improved tech.
By the way…spine got nothing to do with twist in the baitcaster or conventional rod.The twist on conventional/bc rod come from where the guide situated/fit/put.= on top.Spinning rod will never suffer this since all the guide are situated under the blank.The cure is only to use spiral/acid/robert wrap which have a few variation.
1stly, let me apologize for making an under-informed statement earlier. i too have been informed that the innards of the blanks have special rings/ringshaped projections within the blank to facilitate line movement within the blank. my bad.
moving on,
if not mistaken, there’s another brand with interline rods, not sure whether its quantum or pinnacle…some late 90’s fad. siow chiang in penang still has a few on their racks collecting dust. might go check them out again soon. anyone wanna relief them of it? [:D]
in some japanese video clips, i see them using small electric reels(small tanacom/seaborg) paired with interline rods for inshore fishing for flounder, seabass & apollo jigging. maybe they work best in those applications?
i’m sure they have their advantages, like having a better rod action, and no external guides to damage(except the entry guide & tip top).
being what they are, the interlines may also kill fuji & other rod guide makers, therefore not so popular as people try to downplay the advantages of having an interline to save the rodbuilding industry.
imagine seaweeds in the rod, and jellyfish tentacles/goo within the blank, and dries up after u forgot to rinse. dang!
