What's the best low profile BC to get? Abu vs DW

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I never owned a LPBC reel before (but the bigger BC, I have). After seeing firetiger’s photo, I am tempted to get one myself. I am a caster.

One advantage of Abu is that, if anything wrong, we can just call Philmuscle up. But if that aside, is there a big GAP difference between the Abu Revo and Daiwa Alphas?

Or is there a 3rd force?

Regards,
Vincent

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My revo power crank cast further than my chronarh bsv but i like chronarch better. Smoother to cast and smoother to reel.
Just got scorpion 1001 xt sooo light but I like chronacrh better feels heavier and nice, but finesse is scorpion.

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scorpion 1001XT dear landlord… curado 150 is the cheaper alternative, one is JDM market the latter is USDM

good and very cheap would be shimano ceanan… cost less than rm250 for shimano jap product

anything cheaper must go for abu already… good and cheap, even abu black max after tuning is soooooo much different, cast far n strong… less refinement only. RM150 only.

abu good, anything wrong got parts to get easily with our ever trusty Phil bro

if all else fails, think Conquest hahahahah, not LPBC tho

Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you

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curado has normal bearing if salt is a concern but for freshwater is ok. alphas also got the freshwater/saltwater version but tuning savvy guy wld not be bothered as they can simply change to abec7 or ceramic, though $$$ wld be a factor.

I hate the lineguide gear on my chronarch bsv its facing towards spool making cleaning a chore when cast muddy water but again i love cleaning gear. has anyone had an issue with round reel line dig in due to the line guide is near to spool, which is why i converted to lpbc guy and I try to chose the most elongated lpbc which less line dig in? not same topic let me know as im new in forum to know the rules.

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Line dig in is a normal problem concerning any anglers… i presume you’re using braid mate, one way to reduce the trick is on the spooling part… try to spool in as tight as possible since braid have no stretch it wont affect the casting distance, in fact further a lil. and reduces dig in at the same time

and yes… even the cheapest reel can achieve good result just by changing to higher end bearings… only downside is the refinement. so i suggest to get a quite refined reel with less bearing or something tat’s cheaper than higher end product, just change and take good care of the bearings

Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you

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TJS u r right must make sure line tight on spool, yes Im using braided.
I have this phobia thingy when spool the line like im stressing my reel shortening its life. Gotta get out of this mental block.

Just sold my power crank 5 mins ago, seem to like Shimano for now. No hard feelings Abu fans. Recently also went thru dilemma Elite IB vs Scorpion XT but when think of aluminium gear again the phobia thing sets in thus ended up buying scorpion. Also read TJS review and was impressed.

I seem to also like Daiwa though and saving up maybe for Z2020 or zillion.

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I never looked at Shimano LPBC (except for the Stella cos the one I borrowed from Akashah 3 years back got me a sail fish). This is my “3rd force” I shall look into. FT’s photo got me worked up for my 2011 buying guide.

Thanks,
Vincent

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quote:
Originally posted by old frog
TJS u r right must make sure line tight on spool, yes Im using braided. I have this phobia thingy when spool the line like im stressing my reel shortening its life. Gotta get out of this mental block.

Just sold my power crank 5 mins ago, seem to like Shimano for now. No hard feelings Abu fans. Recently also went thru dilemma Elite IB vs Scorpion XT but when think of aluminium gear again the phobia thing sets in thus ended up buying scorpion. Also read TJS review and was impressed.

I seem to also like Daiwa though and saving up maybe for Z2020 or zillion.

I dont think digging in of line will shorten the life span of ur reel bro, ur line probably la but not the reel… If minor dig in then forget it la it wont harm anything, maybe just a lil distance sacrificed tat’s all, i’m talking like maybe few centimetre short like tat lah hahhahaha

i not really in to Daiwa yet mainly cos i no money now hhahahahah!!! Well not really la i invest more on shimano for the smoothness i need, and consistency in casting using their proven centrifigual brakes so i need not change its brakes tat often for the slightest change in situation.

for me daiwa more for the beef up drag, if me i will look towards ryoga, other than that i probably wont touch a Daiwa reel or rod ever, unless i got too much money the bank dont accept more then maybe la… hahahha hard chance

Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you

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another thing is howcom daiwa got no attractive design. some nice la like alphas and zillion limited but z2020 look damn plain. performance wise sound hi tech but many daiwa they really lack designer la. I feel like hv to get one just to experience it but nver like the look.

boring also if fishing set not nice looking. TJS bro sure how to make reel look nice with nice gf posing somemore with his scorpion xt. nowadays tackletour also have nice gals posing u see.

ya la some old school will tell it to my face as long as the reel can catch fish…, but no harm look pleasing to the eyes. right?

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quote:
Originally posted by old frog
another thing is howcom daiwa got no attractive design. some nice la like alphas and zillion limited but z2020 look damn plain. performance wise sound hi tech but many daiwa they really lack designer la. I feel like hv to get one just to experience it but nver like the look.

boring also if fishing set not nice looking. TJS bro sure how to make reel look nice with nice gf posing somemore with his scorpion xt. nowadays tackletour also have nice gals posing u see.

ya la some old school will tell it to my face as long as the reel can catch fish…, but no harm look pleasing to the eyes. right?

Hahahhaha i use tackletour concept of using TT girls ma, just tat i no budget, use girl friend lorrr hahhaha

actually hor, i prefer daiwa looks, wish shimano have such aggressive and futuristic looks… for now the best looking reel ofcos is shimano conquest lah… but daiwa have many nice looking ones tat shimano lacking. in fact look closely shimano reel looks more plain la, either silver or white or something lol

but sometimes dull reel pair with matching rod will look super cool!

Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you

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quote:
Originally posted by vincent
I never looked at Shimano LPBC (except for the Stella cos the one I borrowed from Akashah 3 years back got me a sail fish). This is my "3rd force" I shall look into. FT's photo got me worked up for my 2011 buying guide.

Thanks,
Vincent

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Yup landlord bro,

you should take shimano into consideration… not many other reels offer such centrifigual system tat’s so nice to use edi… in fact many distance caster would prefer a centri system, mostly old abu round reels and ofcos the ever trusty shimano SVS system

i do admit if for comfort casting or ease of casting like beginners or easy going ppl magnetic is suiting. They cast easier, access brakes easier.

but shimano svs must at least be in ur list, try to look around, with so many forummers under u, it’s easier to access to all these kinds of different reel and give it a try… nothing beats hands on feel ma, correct bang???

Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you

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Does the box say where are the Abus, Daiwas or Shimanos are made? Sweden or China? How’s the built quality after you guys used it?

The reason I ask is simple: I never trust car reviews based on reporters writing after a new car test drive. I’d rather read the used car review cos you will actually know the build quality from people who have driven the cars for some time.

Likewise for reels: on Kepong shelves it looks good. You nnever know after one pacu…

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Landlord bro,

abu sweden are some of the toughest reel i;ve seen tat stood the test of time… or so what many users have said and personnal experience, i dont know if there’s alternate views on these quality product

as for abu korea and china, they are still good, since those fall under these category of baitcasting reels usually covers the low profile revo and max series, so far not much complaint for what they meant to use. If black max go hantam sailfish then sorry lah, it’s not meant for that… but… in the event your reel have any trouble, parts are easily available from Purefishing.

As for the other two, shimano and daiwa japan are some of the trusty product out there tat are both refine and solid for their value… but ofcos, if they were used to their capacity… For their china, vietnam, or thailand… so on counterpart, cant say much never actually tried them. But daiwa thailand are actually supervised by professional from Japan or so i think, dunno accurate or not.

I admit i overuse my conquest 51 to the extend of using big baits, to yanking haruan out of covers, to hantam tomans to landing of pla buks… however it still perform to what it’s intended for, so, i must say, i’m pretty impressed by this lil beautiful workhorse… altho somehow it’s rougher in it’s retrieve(retrieve only for it’s drag is still as smooth as ever) than it’s initial smoothness, still it’s much better than many reels out there in terms of smoothness, but as all things made by humans, nothing last forever right or not? especially after prolonged usage…

Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you

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vince,
which pic? this one? [:D]

btw, why do u want a low profile BC reel for? let me rephrase that. what are you trying to achieve?

well this is surely a can of worms. 1stly, round vs low-pro design. then brands pulak… then magnetic vs centrifugal brakes pulak… then styling & design pulak… then finesse vs hardy reel pulak…

ask specifically in each aspect, and we’ll try to uncover some truths and debunk some myths whenever possible

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wah…
our landlord must’ve been poisoned by all the alphas ito pics! haha…

i apologize for the poison, dear landlord n moderator FT.
i’m afraid i was the one that poisoned FT into spending on fishing reels again. haha.
now he NEEDS to complete his alphas collection.

but it’s so worth it, right bro FT? haha!

(sorry bro FT, my alphas not for sale… haha)

landlord vincent,
if u not looking into round bc, then i second bro FT’s suggestions on the alphas range.

abu revos are good, consistent performers. but lack refinement. even the higher end revos are, to me, just the basic revos, with some modifications.

shimanos are ok… value for money. but i think their low profile bc range can’t match their round bc range in terms of value for money. mind u, tjs sold his scorpion 1001xt just 3-4 months after buying it. hehe.
it’s not that it’s lousy, but after using his conquest, i think no reason he would wanna go to the scorpion.
the metanium range also hasn’t been getting very good reviews.

but if u looking for low profile… look at alphas range for light to medium power fishing. zillion maybe for more power.
or px68 if u looking for something finesse. hehe.

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i’ve been using the 1st Alphas (purple) since 2005, and till date, have used a few more variants. They have always been in my good books. not the most perfect LPBC, but one of the better ones around, good light-medium usage for fishing our waters. light and tough, versatile.

some info on the Alphas, the purple alphas has a phosphor bronze main gear which is heavier and more durable, fine for saltwater use.

the R-edition and the Alphas Ito have the duralumin main gear(black for the R-edition, red for the Ito) which is much lighter than the bronze one. some have their complaints against these gears, but thankfully i’ve no issues with them.

durability-wise, i have been using(abusing) the R-edition for almost 2 years now…and its still as good. still smooth, and no chipped tooth(yet) on the gears…i’ve also subjected it to sea lurecasting and around mangroves. with proper care, the reel has yet to see any part replaced due to corrosion or heavy wear & tear… key is proper maintenance. it casts just as smooth, and cranks just as smooth.

tried the lastest scorpion XTs, nice casting reel with nice design, but let down by the feel when cranking in. not a fan of the SVS/opening sideplate to adjust brake settings, and definitely not a fan of handle backplay although they do not affect real world fishing results!

by far, the best casting feel for a reel belongs to the Antares DC and the Conquest DC series… a real dream to cast, easy on the line, music to the ears!

but then again, we’re digressing from the topic a lil bit… [:D]

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Salivating…

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i been wanting to ask bout the alphas purple type for long time. the pinion gear what material is it tougher than brass? whats the reason of this change of pinion material? normally to reduce weight its the main gear thats changed to duralumin.

true..scorpion xt when fast retrieve deep crank the side plate does feel something la. the chronarch bsv has got a detachable break ring made of solid material so the side plate is a bit not that so sensitive. metanium is jdm equivalent to chronarch with aluminium gear but for me so far so good the chronarch bsv. i dont use it to cast far but nice for flipping frogs into heavy cover. centrifugal does best for flipping but for distance cast its magnetic thats better, for me.

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landlord,go for daiwa !!!
aggreed with fire tiger,alphas is better.
cheap,saltwater fine n ‘tahan lasak’
all rounder BC type.actually not for the F version hehehe.

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bro firetiger.

shimano handle backplay happens to both round or low profile due to design of the anti reverse inner sleeve has two protruding footing attached to the main gear. this when tolerance is out will result in backplay. unlike other like daiwa or abu they use the the inner sleeve attached to the shaft and seem to be better design. i swap an old seahawk bass inner sleeve into my shimano chronarch and problem solved. not sure about the stainless ability of the seahawk bass sleeeve tho so i grease it heavily.

not all shimano have backplay but case to case only if the tolerance is out so when i ordered my scorpion i told kepong tackle to check the handle, they did and my scorpion is ok.

you may want to order sleeve part from daiwa and swap into shimano if have backplay, ensure 1st they can fit. Usually can.