world's oldest trout

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if we have the world’s oldest rainforest and therefore insect life etc…could sikang be the world’s oldest trout? if it is not a real trout then,could it be an ancient ancestor of the various trout species?maybe the fisheries department can verify this theory because they call it the “malayan hill trout” …please comment.

subang

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An absolute great topic.
Thanks for starting this, Master Yong… [;)]

I won’t have anything to contribute at the moment but will do so once otherwise… [^]

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Hello brother Riki,I caught a few of the world’s oldest trouts in the mountain streams last friday on cdc’s with my new cane rod.How’s your John Pickards doing.?I am retired for good and now will be doing a lot of trout fishing etc.Want to go to Kakilai pond and catch some big fish on big dry flies..i will show you how to make them if you are going too.

subang

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quote:
Originally posted by hfyong
if we have the world's oldest rainforest and therefore insect life etc...could sikang be the world's oldest trout? if it is not a real trout then,could it be an ancient ancestor of the various trout species?maybe the fisheries department can verify this theory because they call it the "malayan hill trout" .......please comment.

subang

hfyong,

Good topic. For a start I gather from the Fisheries web that the scientific name for Sikang is Barillius Guttatus. But when I tried finding that at fishbase, barillius guttatus is cited as Burmese Trout???! What a bummer! But anyway its from the Cyprinidae (minnows or carps) family with genus Cypriniformes (carps).

-Pellet Fly-

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quote:
Originally posted by hfyong
Hello brother Riki,I caught a few of the world's oldest trouts in the mountain streams last friday on cdc's with my new cane rod.How's your John Pickards doing.?I am retired for good and now will be doing a lot of trout fishing etc.Want to go to Kakilai pond and catch some big fish on big dry flies..i will show you how to make them if you are going too.

Master,
I do not think the Malayan Trout season is yet to open. Based on my shallow experience, it will only be open around Sept-Oct. That is the best time when they’ll start gorging on all food stuff and fattening the belly up to the max for mating & spawning purposes. That’s the best time to catch them on dries… [;)]

“Anything with CDC, anything with CDC…”

Pickard is retired at the moment. The length of 8’ doesn’t really do justice to our smaller friends - the Tengas Daun. I just got myself a 5WT 7’ Rich Valley grass - one sweet mutha…! [:D]

Barramundi on dries sound interesting. Haha. But I have to pass for the time being. No money to travel maa… [|)]

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how about this link :-

http://dbserver.fri.gov.my/fishquerydetail.asp?ftitle=&fishid=00000077

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Thanks Pellet fly,rikirahman and teru for your valuable info…soon we will have real trout flyfishing in this country and will not need to travel overseas for trout., also I have made a bamboo ferrule for my cane rod and it is working fine .Our sikang and the burmese trout are one and the same with only slight differences in appearance i think..cheers.

subang

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Yong…

What flies normally works for Sikang…?

Dron

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Base on my shallow experience with Sikang, CDC Elk is the best bet. It’s kind of 2 in 1 fly. Dry on upstream, wet on downstream, most of the time Sikang will strike when stripping during downstream. I do think for bigger sikang streamer,charlie or cluoser will work best, but not to fun le.

my 2 cents

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Sorry bro… can give me some reference on CDC Elk…? got picture…? what colour work best…? size…? Many thx..

Dron

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Dron

Go to this site http://www.danica.com/flytier/hweilenmann/cdcelk.htm

This is modified version by Hans Weilenmann. The original by Al Troth is using hackle and elk hair. Hans replace the hackle with cdc and I believe better than the original.

For me cdc olive and cream/natural elk hair/fine deer hair work best for sikang, but you can try different version.

This is my go to dry fly for any occasion, I don’t have artist hand like you do bro [:)] so simple2 one can do lor.

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Sikang on dry fly …[:D][:D][:D][:D]

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Thanks bro… good reference for me…

Dron

quote:
Originally posted by alpocot
Dron

Go to this site http://www.danica.com/flytier/hweilenmann/cdcelk.htm

This is modified version by Hans Weilenmann. The original by Al Troth is using hackle and elk hair. Hans replace the hackle with cdc and I believe better than the original.

For me cdc olive and cream/natural elk hair/fine deer hair work best for sikang, but you can try different version.

This is my go to dry fly for any occasion, I don’t have artist hand like you do bro [:)] so simple2 one can do lor.

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Fisher,
Nice streams, nice fish & nice photos.
Thanks for sharing… [;)]

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quote:
Originally posted by hfyong
if we have the world's oldest rainforest and therefore insect life etc...could sikang be the world's oldest trout? if it is not a real trout then,could it be an ancient ancestor of the various trout species?maybe the fisheries department can verify this theory because they call it the "malayan hill trout" .......please comment.
Hi hfyong, as per my limited knowledge, the British have been (and still are) too fascinated by trouts (and rightly so). Therefore, wherever they could find a spotted fish in clear mountain stream that readily took the flies, they named it a trout. Indian trout, Malayan trout etc have perhaps the same background though both do not belong to Family Salmonidae rather belong to Family Cyprinidaei, as already pointed out. regards
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FisheR, now thats a great mountain stream. Where is that located?? Beautiful serene environment, a peculiarity of trout fishing.
Great catch, anyway. [:)]

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quote:
Originally posted by hfyong
Thanks Pellet fly,rikirahman and teru for your valuable info...soon we will have real trout flyfishing in this country and will not need to travel overseas for trout., also I have made a bamboo ferrule for my cane rod and it is working fine .Our sikang and the burmese trout are one and the same with only slight differences in appearance i think..cheers.

subang

Hi Yong,

Wouldn’t it be nice if we can start a drive to further conserve our Sikang? I guess if we fly anglers wanna enjoy the sportfishing for our Malayan trout, then we must start somewhere surely. I’m on. Lets start with getting more details on this Malayan trout shall we?

-Pellet Fly-

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Sorry for the delay my good friends,i had some software problems as usual.I caught some Sikang on black goldbead hare’s ears nymphs in riffles and small pools and some on dry cdc mayflies in the pools where i can see them rising.Sometimes they take jumping dries like small hoppers or crickets ,i make the fly jump a few feet after they land by pulling the line quickly and letting it drift(secret technique ).Also caught them plus other unknown fish with blood worm nymphs size 16 on the bottom of the riffles.This stream looks very familiar and the fish remind me of the Yamame and Oshorokoma .Sometimes you can hookup red kelah here and so must use heavier tippets for this stream.cheers on the beautiful fish and stream.forming a group to protect sikang is an excellent idea.how about setting up a tagal on this stream?cheers.

subang

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Master Yong, I’ve not visited this site for sometime now and am pleasantly surprised (and glad) to see much progress in the fly scene.

Sikang is one nice fish to catch on fly, and I totally agree with Pellet Fly that we should do our best to preserve the specie. The way to go is to form an interest group, meet, study and exchange notes. We need to know the fish, its habits and habitat first before we can seriously discuss what we can do. You want to take the lead? .. rgds.

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Hi Tony,I totally agree with your views.Whether or not it is a trout is debatable.It could be a freak of evolution or a carp trout which makes it extremely rare.There is no other fish like it in the world.To catch one on fly gear is indeed a great honour and priviledge in our flyfishing circles.Just last Saturday my friends and i caught red kelah , sebarau,krai,tengas and Sikang on fly on this stream.The Sikang is so old that it has evolved into something totally unlike any other fish that we know and yet it very closely resembles the noble trout both in it’s feeding habits and in it’s scale pattern and markings.Let’s plan a trip to fish and also study the Sikang’s habits together when we have the time, shall we?

subang