Garoupa luring @ sea walls

Haven’t done any fishing lately, so might as well post up some old pics taken when fishing was still allowed at the site where the new integrated resort is gonna be built in marina south, Singapore.

Had always read reports in the singaporean forums about how ppl lure garoupas from breakwaters with deep divers so i decided to try out the breakwaters myself. Lost many the lures sangkok at those pesky rocks and didn’t get a single strike though i was already reeling in very slowly and letting it float up whenever it bumped against any rocks. Worst thing was that even my lure retriever also can’t get them back, sangkok until cannot sangkok type Just not my cup of tea i guess.

Wanted to give up after a few fruitless trips where my lures were left decorating the underwater terrain. Then decided to try out the sea wall trolling technique which my friend said was effective for garoupas at another location. Indeed, sea walls are very good hiding places for garoupas due to the recessed space beneath most vertical cement sea walls. What i did was basically just cast my favorite halco 3m+ sorcerer parallel to the wall, let out a longggggg length of line and started walking along the wall, trolling as i went. lazy man style of luring. hehe.excellent as any sangkoks could easily be reversed by walking the opposite direction!

First catch of the day. Notice the construction works of the casino and integrated resort in the background

First catch compulsory pic with fishing set.lol

Second bugger with Sheares Bridge in the background. If you ever visit singapore and visit the Merlion statue, this bridge would be in the distant background

Greedy lil bugger. Biting more than it can possibly chew/swallow!![:D]

Amongst the catches were a few palm sized garoupas and a small greedy little bugger that whacked a halco poltergeist as big as itself! Small buggers were released to grow fatter for the dinner pot while big bugger was main course for dinner. [:p]

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Nice catch bro, must try your technique one day.

Cheers

no wonder difficult to get big groupers

Thanks! It has worked rather well for me and also for my friend who intro-ed me to this technique. Quite sangkok free and easy to retrieve ur lures with a retriever even if sangkok due to the high angle allowed by the seawall. But u need the really deep diving cranks to bounce the bottom due to the usually large gap between where u stand on the wall and the water level. [:D]

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Originally posted by geno
Nice catch bro, must try your technique one day.

Cheers


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I wrote a fishing report to be shared for the reading pleasure of others, for sharing my enjoyable experience and hopefully, maybe share a technique or two.

I don’t particularly enjoy sarcastic nor caustic remarks about my decision in keeping a fish or two for the pot, so if you are offended by my choices, feel free not to read.

If you want to start a debate on the whole spectrum of CnR to CnKill everything , please do so in another thread, i am sure there will be many others who would love to engage actively with you.

Thank you

quote:
Originally posted by caesar1956
no wonder difficult to get big groupers

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I think he was just joking with you.. chill dude.. by the way.. nice catch and great technique. Now where in Klang can I find a place like that?..

haha, not too sure about klang but the last time i went to Port Dickson, there was this huge lagoon like area with many many sea walls but i didn’t have my deep diving cranks with me. You can actually see the structure on google earth or wikimapia [:p]

quote:
Originally posted by Adrian
I think he was just joking with you.. chill dude.. by the way.. nice catch and great technique. Now where in Klang can I find a place like that?...

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waa s’pore got lots of garoupa..congrat bro

quote:
Originally posted by ipohmali
I wrote a fishing report to be shared for the reading pleasure of others, for sharing my enjoyable experience and hopefully, maybe share a technique or two.

I don’t particularly enjoy sarcastic nor caustic remarks about my decision in keeping a fish or two for the pot, so if you are offended by my choices, feel free not to read.

If you want to start a debate on the whole spectrum of CnR to CnKill everything , please do so in another thread, i am sure there will be many others who would love to engage actively with you.

Thank you

quote:
Originally posted by caesar1956
no wonder difficult to get big groupers

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I personally agreed with u bro…[;)]


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ipohmali,
Congrats![;)] Looks the lure is very luring… might get one soon![:p][:p][:p]
BTW you may count me in, too…[:D][:D][:D]

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many thanks for your reply, and sorry for the late reply but
could you please enlighten me why countries put ‘keeper size limit’ and why so many in mfn talk about preseving the future of sport fishing and catch n release, i know the government has not imposed any rule about keeper size limit, but that doesnt mean we cant improve the situation before the government implements any laws in this regard, its we, the anglers who have to implement it and then we can take it on a higher level
all said and done if you feel this problem doesnt concern you, then please accept my sincere apologies
truth will prevail in due time
there will no further comments from me on this thread
over and out

Ooo.. he wasn’t joking.. my bad :slight_smile:

Yup! he wasn’t joking… but i believe he also didn’t read up to the last sentence of the report…[:D]

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Dear Caesar 1956,

I’m sure you are much more enlightened and somewhere up there about keeper size limits and why so many in mfn TALK about preserving the future of sport fishing & C & R bla bla bla.

I shall not even go into the part about the range of fishermen; from purely C n R, bag limits, size limits, one or two for the table, all table sized, all of everything caught.

Nor shall i go into the reason why people fish;purely for adrenaline, for sport, for fun, for food, for a subsistence or source of livelihood.

Nor will i go into what should be the cut off size aka what is the ideal level of C & R or sportfishing that one should follow

The reason is simple, like i said, you can debate and talk and argue till the cows come home or till the cheese turns blue, you would never reach a consensus simply because everyone fishes for a different reason and sets their own ideals and standards, whateer they may be. The point is, all talk and no action and getting all heated up in a forum ain’t gonna push the fishing environment and culture in the direction that you would like it to go towards. NATO, u know?

You see, that’s the problem, most only TALK about it or if they are more free, post caustic remarks on well meaning threads (well meaning aka with some purpose but which might not be towards your goal of ideal sport fishing future) and then hope that by caustic remarks, they would be able to convert everyone to conform to their OWN standards/ ideals that they hold in their mind about how C & R should be.

In a nutshell, do you seriously think that by your post of " no wonder difficult to get big groupers" you would be able to create awareness about your ideal C & R standards and convert everyone to C & R anglers who conform to the highest standards?

I’m no expert on psychology but any idiot on the street would be able to tell you that most of the time, antagonising those you want to win over ain’t gonna work. this ain’t a scenario for reverse psychology. Since you are so passionate about C & R, then go do something about it, write articles about C & R in the main media like Aznir Malek does, start a campaign like KAGUM , start up an NGO and go dog the government about new policy implementation, or get yourself involved in the kelah sanctuary angling tourism efforts. There are so many things you can do to have an impact on improving the C & R culture. Heck, even starting a thread on it may have a subliminal influence. BUt one thing for sure, interupting others thread will poorly worded remarks WILL NOT WIN PEOPLE OVER TO YOUR IDEOLOGIES. Period.

There is something known as marketing. There are also many ways to sell or state something. There are a thousand approaches to a situation. So next time you want to post something, please think through the consequences of your actions. Whether it will benefit others. Whether it will champion your cause. whether it is worded in the right tone. One can be anal, but being anal won’t get you far. Alternatively, one can also adopt the famous " softly softly" approach that is even used for fighting brutish fishes.

As to whether this problem about C & R concerns me or not, whether it does or does not, what the heck does it have to do with you? I don’t even know you. I don’t have to let you or the whole world know my personal ideals/beliefs that i make whether to keep a fish or two for my dinner or whether i release every single thing or whether i kill every single fish i catch. Again, like i said, if you are so passionate about C & R, which of course is a good thing, go do something at the top level, or if you would prefer the bottom up approach, go educate your close fishing buddies about your ideologies everytime you fish with them, i’m sure they’ll be much more vulnerable/susceptible to change from somebody they know well.it’s all about psychology.

IMHO, no major religion in the world today won over believers by talking bad about the converts former religion/ lack of religion. They either won them over subliminally over time by walking the talk or the believers saw the good in it. go think bout it over your pillow.

Lastly, thank you in that there will be no further comments from you in this thread. I would really appreciate that.

quote:
Originally posted by caesar1956
many thanks for your reply, and sorry for the late reply but could you please enlighten me why countries put 'keeper size limit' and why so many in mfn talk about preseving the future of sport fishing and catch n release, i know the government has not imposed any rule about keeper size limit, but that doesnt mean we cant improve the situation before the government implements any laws in this regard, its we, the anglers who have to implement it and then we can take it on a higher level all said and done if you feel this problem doesnt concern you, then please accept my sincere apologies truth will prevail in due time there will no further comments from me on this thread over and out

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Must be fun fishing with lure. i agree that caesar’s remarks isn’t suppose to be in this thread where we share our experiences in fishing. Anyway, great catch and a nice set up u have there.

Shalom

Hi shalom,

It’s not that i want to judge that he is wrong or anything. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. After all, it is a free society. Just that i feel that we should always try to be amicablbe to each other. IMHO, this forum was set up for the purpose of sharing amongst fishing enthusiasts, be they strictly C & R sports anglers or recreational week end pleasure seekers who enjoy eating fresh fish once in a while.

quote:
Originally posted by appollo ncp
Must be fun fishing with lure. i agree that caesar's remarks isn't suppose to be in this thread where we share our experiences in fishing. Anyway, great catch and a nice set up u have there.

Shalom


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Silly thing is, in this case, all the grouper and other salt water fish will die anyway at this location - if they are not already dead! The Marina Barrage was closed several months ago leaving the water to turn into a fresh water reservoir. The Singapore government made no attempt to catch and relocate the fish into salt water.

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quote:
Originally posted by ipohmali
Dear Caesar 1956,

I’m sure you are much more enlightened and somewhere up there about keeper size limits and why so many in mfn TALK about preserving the future of sport fishing & C & R bla bla bla.

I shall not even go into the part about the range of fishermen; from purely C n R, bag limits, size limits, one or two for the table, all table sized, all of everything caught.

Nor shall i go into the reason why people fish;purely for adrenaline, for sport, for fun, for food, for a subsistence or source of livelihood.

Nor will i go into what should be the cut off size aka what is the ideal level of C & R or sportfishing that one should follow

The reason is simple, like i said, you can debate and talk and argue till the cows come home or till the cheese turns blue, you would never reach a consensus simply because everyone fishes for a different reason and sets their own ideals and standards, whateer they may be. The point is, all talk and no action and getting all heated up in a forum ain’t gonna push the fishing environment and culture in the direction that you would like it to go towards. NATO, u know?

You see, that’s the problem, most only TALK about it or if they are more free, post caustic remarks on well meaning threads (well meaning aka with some purpose but which might not be towards your goal of ideal sport fishing future) and then hope that by caustic remarks, they would be able to convert everyone to conform to their OWN standards/ ideals that they hold in their mind about how C & R should be.

In a nutshell, do you seriously think that by your post of " no wonder difficult to get big groupers" you would be able to create awareness about your ideal C & R standards and convert everyone to C & R anglers who conform to the highest standards?

I’m no expert on psychology but any idiot on the street would be able to tell you that most of the time, antagonising those you want to win over ain’t gonna work. this ain’t a scenario for reverse psychology. Since you are so passionate about C & R, then go do something about it, write articles about C & R in the main media like Aznir Malek does, start a campaign like KAGUM , start up an NGO and go dog the government about new policy implementation, or get yourself involved in the kelah sanctuary angling tourism efforts. There are so many things you can do to have an impact on improving the C & R culture. Heck, even starting a thread on it may have a subliminal influence. BUt one thing for sure, interupting others thread will poorly worded remarks WILL NOT WIN PEOPLE OVER TO YOUR IDEOLOGIES. Period.

There is something known as marketing. There are also many ways to sell or state something. There are a thousand approaches to a situation. So next time you want to post something, please think through the consequences of your actions. Whether it will benefit others. Whether it will champion your cause. whether it is worded in the right tone. One can be anal, but being anal won’t get you far. Alternatively, one can also adopt the famous " softly softly" approach that is even used for fighting brutish fishes.

As to whether this problem about C & R concerns me or not, whether it does or does not, what the heck does it have to do with you? I don’t even know you. I don’t have to let you or the whole world know my personal ideals/beliefs that i make whether to keep a fish or two for my dinner or whether i release every single thing or whether i kill every single fish i catch. Again, like i said, if you are so passionate about C & R, which of course is a good thing, go do something at the top level, or if you would prefer the bottom up approach, go educate your close fishing buddies about your ideologies everytime you fish with them, i’m sure they’ll be much more vulnerable/susceptible to change from somebody they know well.it’s all about psychology.

IMHO, no major religion in the world today won over believers by talking bad about the converts former religion/ lack of religion. They either won them over subliminally over time by walking the talk or the believers saw the good in it. go think bout it over your pillow.

Lastly, thank you in that there will be no further comments from you in this thread. I would really appreciate that.

quote:
Originally posted by caesar1956
many thanks for your reply, and sorry for the late reply but could you please enlighten me why countries put 'keeper size limit' and why so many in mfn talk about preseving the future of sport fishing and catch n release, i know the government has not imposed any rule about keeper size limit, but that doesnt mean we cant improve the situation before the government implements any laws in this regard, its we, the anglers who have to implement it and then we can take it on a higher level all said and done if you feel this problem doesnt concern you, then please accept my sincere apologies truth will prevail in due time there will no further comments from me on this thread over and out

http://www.pulailodge.blogspot.com


one of the best responses i’ve ever come across in a while now. very good desciption, paragraphing & points. will take note of this classy response for further reference!

in penang, we’ve dones similar techniques too, but instead of sea walls, we’re doing it on rocky outcrops.

the results are comparable.

the fish sizes are comparable.

and yes, we do keep some nice specimens for consuming too.

lure selection will be of the same make and design as yours. colour choices vary, but i highly suggest trying the R7 in shallow waters

try using single hooks instead of trebles. less sangkut problem.

in your case i would assume that the place u’re fihing in has lotsa old nets on the sea bed. in general, lure retrievers don’t work too well when lures are stuck onto soft objects.

nice short writeup there bro, enjoyed it a lot.

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