next time we’ll try to be better… but cant promise to 100% CnR..hehe.
thanks to all who’s remind us about CnR… together we realize that.[:D]
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Originally posted by Mat_shukri
next time we'll try to be better... but cant promise to 100% CnR..hehe. thanks to all who's remind us about CnR... together we realize that.[:D] <<<<<CastinG KaMu>>>>>
Shuk, we all know what is happening around in particular within the forum. All i have to say is have our own concious clear be it C&R or whatsoever. We are all grown up adults to know and differentiate what is “betul” and “tak betul” as well as what is “patut” and “tak patut”.
Do enjoy your fishing out there..
Edwinc..
thanks edwinc…[:)]
<<<<<CastinG KaMu>>>>>we’re threading on a fine line, its good let out your opinions rather than keeping mum. its not too late to start practising catch and release =)
i used to practice bagging most of my catch, but after the catch began to dwindle like the 97 stock exchange… i felt it, the fishes were getting tougher to catch. it used to be so good where we can get 30-40 sebbies within half an hour, and catching tomans was as easy like a stroll in the park. its not how many u can catch, but rather how many can u pull up! the head was as big as the dam scoop net! nowadays, getting about 5 tomans on lure a day is considered good day.
so this is how i learned about conservation… Rod&Line helped me alot too
kill the friggin’ netters
Hi guys… Congrats to Razlan, Rohu slayer, Mat Shukri n Tom.
Nice report. Good catch. Although we went in the same day but we only
manage a few tomans n only one sebarau. Tak de rezeki… hehehe
I lost a few lures as well on tomans. Most of them top water.
Regarding the CnR issue here i guess it’s a good discussion for all
of us here to share. So keep it up.
As what Mr. Marlin has put out, I could’nt agree more.
As for me, I do practice catch n release but it all depends on the
situation. Depends on what fish, where n when. I guess it is ok to eat
your catch or two as we humans are in deed at the top of the food chain.
(Sorry… Can’t help it…)
Different angler carries different perspective and belief in CnR.
As long as we don’t take home all catches, release half or quarter,
i still consider it as conservation. Don’t know about others.
But do remember there’s still a lot room for improvements for all
of us anglers.
Again, congrats guys.
Team RADIOGAGA - MFN U3 2005
Guys, tell u a story. I been in this remote terengganu kampung caught a 4kg sebby which i instantly release with a group of locals offering rm200++ to take it. They told me how long they haven seen such a specimen n ofcaz telling me how good it taste( it was my second sebby of my lifetime) n keeping telling me how a fool i am. Well i told them, whether the fish i eat or not doesnt make a dif in my life but it certainly means something to them. To me, the best conservation starts with enthuasiam thats overflow n it’s best if it overflows towards this ppl who live next to the river. Forgive me 4 my grammatical insensitive.
Guys,
Not to hentam-hentam lah… but just want to voice out something. I practice CNR most of the time but not 100% too… It all depends of when, where and what.
When: It is sebarau mating season now. That is why there is abundant of sebarau and toman (which after the sebarau) at Kenyir at this time of the year. At this time of the year, sebarau congregate at the river mount, mating and waiting to get to up river to their breeding ground. Sometimes you get sebaraus laden with eggs or sperm at this time of the year.
Where: Although Kenyir is a man made lake, it should be considered a wild and natural environment because the lake is connected to hundreds of wild river. It is not a paypond. Nobody does restocking. Restocking of the wrong species got lah… he he…
What: Sebarau is not a protected species so it is perfectly legal keeping them. Contrary to an earlier posting sebarau has very slow growth rate. That is why nobody farming them - because it is not economically viable - even though it is possible to artificially breed them. I am not a fish biologist but I heard them from fish biologists. Sebarau is a bloody good game fish but eating wise I will rate proper farmed tilapia better, anytime. This point is a bit subjective lah because I am a lousy cook… But the point is sebarau is a very good game fish. It is probably equivalent to largemouth bass in the US only better because I think it is more handsome than bass. he..he
Coming back to the point, if I am in the gang, I will release most of the sebaraus caught and keep one or two for dinner at the boat house only if required. That is because all the where, what and when fit the release as many as possible scenario.
I hope razlan and gang will consider these points the next time they are at Kenyir. I dare not to say I am advising lah… nanti macamlah like i bagus sangat. Tapi kalau boleh kurangkan lah ikan yang di bawa balik lain kali atas sebab-sebab yang saya kemukakan. So that Kenyir lake will have healthy population of sebaraus and other good gamefish for us sports anglers. I heard commercial fishing is already been temporary banned in Kenyir which is a good thing towards sustainable fisheries practices. Nanti diaorang salahkan kita sports fishermen pulak yang buat harvesting macam kita salahkan diaorang yang buat blatant harvesting. The risk is we will go back to the free for all scenario again.
Cheers
Well said Novice.
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Ikan kita adalah warisan yang tak ternilai. Puliharalah ia demi generasi akan datang.
Our fish is a priceless heritage. Conserve it for future generation.
Pushing the angling limits!
yeah,i also agreed with most of the points brought up by novice.thanks novice.i’ll keep your saying and advices as a guidance whenever or wherever i go fishing.
guys,
thanks for you comments regarding the CNR.i hope from now on our friends that are not clear with the CNR term and how to practise a correct and appropriate CNR practice can get a lot of benefits from this reading.we too,will be more carefull with our fishing next time and try not to hurt most of the CNR enthuasiast here rather than to our catch (since the words “cakap tak serupa bikin” still happen up to date,it’s a fact guys!)
to bro gerard,
i’m really impressed with your CNR story and i wish that one day i will have the same courage and self awareness to do the same thing as you did.CNR is not difficult to practise but the enticement comes from the sum offered sometimes make people forgot where their stand..
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..cAStiNG kAMu iNC..Truster tu ialah sejenis kuih raya yang di makan bersama kari ayam pukul lapan pagi pada satu ‘Remdan’…
well,
just my another point of view,we should be grateful when razlan write such a good fishing report and i guess not many of us doing it nowdays especially in mfn.CNR is another matter of angler to keep it or to realease it. keeping each 6 sebbies for each person after along along way to terrengganu which i think it’s not actually “too much”.
keep=6 realease=40,do the maths,
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Originally posted by Novice
Guys,Not to hentam-hentam lah… but just want to voice out something. I practice CNR most of the time but not 100% too… It all depends of when, where and what.
When: It is sebarau mating season now. That is why there is abundant of sebarau and toman (which after the sebarau) at Kenyir at this time of the year. At this time of the year, sebarau congregate at the river mount, mating and waiting to get to up river to their breeding ground. Sometimes you get sebaraus laden with eggs or sperm at this time of the year.
Where: Although Kenyir is a man made lake, it should be considered a wild and natural environment because the lake is connected to hundreds of wild river. It is not a paypond. Nobody does restocking. Restocking of the wrong species got lah… he he…
What: Sebarau is not a protected species so it is perfectly legal keeping them. Contrary to an earlier posting sebarau has very slow growth rate. That is why nobody farming them - because it is not economically viable - even though it is possible to artificially breed them. I am not a fish biologist but I heard them from fish biologists. Sebarau is a bloody good game fish but eating wise I will rate proper farmed tilapia better, anytime. This point is a bit subjective lah because I am a lousy cook… But the point is sebarau is a very good game fish. It is probably equivalent to largemouth bass in the US only better because I think it is more handsome than bass. he..he
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Coming back to the point, if I am in the gang, I will release most of the sebaraus caught and keep one or two for dinner at the boat house only if required. That is because all the where, what and when fit the release as many as possible scenario.I hope razlan and gang will consider these points the next time they are at Kenyir. I dare not to say I am advising lah… nanti macamlah like i bagus sangat. Tapi kalau boleh kurangkan lah ikan yang di bawa balik lain kali atas sebab-sebab yang saya kemukakan. So that Kenyir lake will have healthy population of sebaraus and other good gamefish for us sports anglers. I heard commercial fishing is already been temporary banned in Kenyir which is a good thing towards sustainable fisheries practices. Nanti diaorang salahkan kita sports fishermen pulak yang buat harvesting macam kita salahkan diaorang yang buat blatant harvesting. The risk is we will go back to the free for all scenario again.
Cheers
From my experience, sebaraus fight a lot better than the Largemouth bass. so sebarau = handsome + strong = 5 star
apek, ko kerja dekat mana sekarang?? US ke tanjung Bin??
<<<<<CastinG KaMu>>>>>Actually we do practice CnR in this trip but not yet reach to CNR standard..its our mistake..
You know lah, everyone is happy..happy..happy…(who like to fish in a bad mood)
We don’t reach to your professional standard yet, because we were young and new angler, too much protocol can kill our fishing mood…(try to understand it carefully)
we dont have our own lubuk rahsia to play everyday…so we must find a good fishing spot and for sure we want to fish happily and get many fish..
to all old timer…
do you think you really practice CNR? really?everytime?every where? from your start fishing till now? you cnr kelah also? how many times?
if your answer is YES! I Salute you!
I totally HATE HYPOCRIT!!
Thanks for all your positive opinions..Next time I’ll try to CNR to its standard.
The man who talk so loud about CNR, you dont think i dont know what the really things you do to your fish…world is small.
If I only like to eat fish, why must i fish? think about it..
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I am not a 100% CnR angler my self, but i have alot of respect to people that are being truthful and open to constructive critisism.. After reading this thread it is paramount we as sport-anglers do what ever we could to conserve for our future generations… Like Marlin said.. “If sustainable fisheries is the aim, numbers is the game!” Damn.. it even rhymes![:D]
Bro Razlan, as an “old timer”, I can answer your question and it’s clearly “no”. Since I started fishing I have killed many fish and even today, I still take a fish or two for the table with a clear conscience. These days it’s mostly tenggiri, because they taste so good! In the past, I could tell you about the times I’ve killed more than I should and I remember each occasion with a touch of remorse. Right or wrong, the honesty of your post ensures that this is going to be one of yours!
I firmly believe that all fishermen should retain the right to take a fish for the table as food. It’s a fundamental part of fishing. If we loose sight of this basic truth, the whole concept of our sport becomes vulnerable to those who claim angling is cruel.
I have been impressed with the response you guys have made to the various opinions expressed here. With dignity. Don’t worry too much about CnR “standards”. CnR doesn’t really have a standard to which you should aspire, nor does it deny you a basic right to take a feed. I’ll try and explain why.
I’m going to do one of my by now infamous “long posts” again here.
In the UK, many trout waters are what we call “put and take” fisheries. Trout are good to eat and they are farmed for that purpose. You can buy them straight from the supermarket or you can join an angling club or pay for a day ticket to fish for them. You can spend lots of money on fishing tackle and transport, have a great day out and catch a few fish, having paid a great deal more for those fish than if you’d just gone to the shop and bought one! Which I think is one of the points you make. It’s not just about the fish; it’s a great day out.
The “put and take” fishery is a simple concept. Any fish you take out, the fisheries management put back. The day ticket entitles you to a bag limit. You don’t always catch your limit of course, but the fish you catch are recorded on the ticket and the ticket returned to the bailiff at the end of your fishing. If you are lucky enough to catch more than your limit, those fish must be released. The fisheries management keeps score. Periodically, they replace those fish that have been caught with new stock from the hatchery. Everyone is happy and the fishery remains healthy through restocking.
Wild waters are not usually stocked. These waters rely on the reproductive capacity of the resident fish stocks to replenish those fish removed by anglers, pollution, netters, natural predators, etc, etc. This is much more difficult to control because very often we don’t know how many fish are in the water, how quickly they breed and we don’t know how many fish are being removed.
Now here’s the irony of CnR and it’s something already mentioned by hammerhead. Any fish we release hopefully return to the breeding stock. All we are doing is returning the fish that were already there. From a fishery standpoint, these fish therefore do not count. It matters not one bit how many fish we catch and release, it can only maintain status quo. This doesn’t mean CnR makes no difference. Of course it does. It minimizes the impact.
What does matter is the negative impact of the fish we keep. These are the ones nature has to replace. If we catch 100 fish and release 90, the impact on the fishery is -10. If we catch 1000 fish and release 990, the impact on the fishery is -10. Our CnR score cards are different in each case, but natures score card is exactly the same. So to all of us out there doing a great job practicing CnR, if we catch 40, release 30 and keep 10, the only number that really counts is the -10.
The whole point of sustainability is not “don’t kill fish”, but it’s about walking that fine line of minimizing the impact to a level that the remaining stock can replace. Too many fish removed and the fishery declines, regardless of how many fish are caught and released and regardless of how good our CnR scorecards might look.
The other irony is that -10 are still -10 whether you traveled 5 miles or 500 miles to get to the water. The remaining stock has to replace the lost fish regardless of how far you came. You can’t really kill more because you came further, much as we’d like to rationalise it this way, because natures score card is the only one that counts. Hopefully, through sustainable fishing practices, the result of traveling long distances will be a reward of outstanding fishing.
So let’s not get too hung up on CnR vs kill ratios, when it’s sustainability we’re after. Let’s not get too hung up on moral issues of taking fish to eat. It’s OK to eat some of the fish you catch. Selling it? We’ll that’s a different matter, but I don’t think we’re talking about anyone posting here. What I think we should all be aiming towards is sustainability in our precious fisheries and this is where we’re all actually on the same side. If that means we must release some, or all of our catch, or we voluntarily restrict ourselves to bag limits, it’s an effort worthwhile. If that means your neighbor may be disappointed next trip, hopefully there’s always tomorrow.
And that’s the point. Making sure there is a tomorrow.
marlin speaks for behalf of the anglers and its clearly a fact and statement..nothing more nothing less..and to u guys razlan..hats off to u guys…your team seems to catch more fish every trip then the others..thats something i look forward to, in your posting.All i can say that CnR are practice based on individual, wat razlan mention abt does a CnR purist really catch and release their fish ??..thats something one should realize..no point being hypocrite if u are one of them too…so take a step back and jus share among each other the great advantages of CnR.I guess marlin bro has always been our limelight when comes to sharing anythin in common.Once again thanks alot Marlin bro,you have once more enlighten us about this issue which is known as the “never ending debate issue”
once an angler, always an angler
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Originally posted by Mat_shukri
apek, ko kerja dekat mana sekarang?? US ke tanjung Bin?? <<<<<CastinG KaMu>>>>>
dpt offer schlumberger, so decline offer tanjung bin..tp sampai skarang schlumberger tak bagi2 keje..duduk rumah jela..gaji tak masuk pon..[:D]
I can’t see what’s “purist” about CnR! We do need to do it, for sure, but we must also realise that all fishermen, CnR or otherwise, have a negative impact on the fishery. All we’re doing is putting a fish back that was already there in the first place. Which is much better than killing it, but all we’re doing is maintaining status quo. We’re not saving the world!
CnR aims to minimise the negative impact and is a very important part of maintaining sustainability, but the thing we’re actually doing by releasing fish is minimising the kill. Only by minimising the kill and keeping it to a level that nature can cope with can we hope to achieve sustainability.
The key aspect of fisheries management and sustainability is therefore size and bag limits. Limiting the kill. If we have bag limits, CnR becomes an automatic part of observing those limits, not some purist “holier than thou” objective. I released more than you, so I’m better than you! This is wrong. I didn’t kill as many as you, so I’m having less impact. This is the right perspective.
It doesn’t matter how many fish you release after you have your limit, the fish you take home are impacting the fishery. The ones you release were there anyway. I hope this puts catch and release into perspective. Keep score of the ones you take. Limit that number. The ones you release don’t matter.
Limit your kill. Don’t kill your limit!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Tow Foo is proof that CnR is effective in maintaining fish stock.
So it boils down to the angler. Sometimes, and I’m not accusing Razlan and gang of anything, the people around us may or may not affect the choices we anglers make.
But in my opinion, my neighbour, son-in-law, boss, might ask for fish. But I can always tell them that:
"I’m an ethical angler that do not want to damage the environment that I fish from TOO MUCH, so I catch 200 but realease all except one so I can masak.
“But that doesn’t mean I won’t give you fish. Now, I have one 2kg PB. You want head, tail, fin or gill? Cannot take all ah, my son-in-law family also need ok?”
Again, I respect and mostly agree with the opinions expressed by all forumers in this thread. I am merely offering my 2 cents, and have no intention of offending anyone.
I take home fish too! Just two weeks ago I brouyght home a 400gm Tilapia.
this was extracted from my posting for the toman fillet tread, it is actually more relevant here. there is a second part of this posting on the said tread.
Maybe we should analyze deeper, slightly diverging from the main topic here, to the issues of C & R. This concept is not new but it is still news to many. MFN is about fishing / angling specifically the practice of sport-fishing.
The sport-fisherman is there for the love of it, the trill of a hook-up, the fight of the fish and yes the long hours sessions thereafter talking about it, being all part of the package. That for all intent and purpose, may include a lunch and/or dinner featuring the fishes caught. Almost everyone within this forum aspires to this, but then again, we do have the occasional rouge.
There are those kiasu types who will insist on getting their value from the money spend on their time and equipment. To this end, they will bag all they can, never mind if they themselves cannot possibly eat all the catch. After-all fresh fish is valuable, and fishing trips are not cheap. If they were to spend RM400 to Kenyir and if it is possible to recover some parts of the cash from it, why not? Can always give to neighbors, friends, relatives, heck there is a whole world to feed, why waste. Or that, we have the guy who would say, “the other guy took a 10kg toman, I only took two 5kg fishes, why the hassle?”
“Do you think that with the 5kg fishes released, it would actually make a difference?” “What of the 10 other fishes I had released, don’t they count?”
Even worse would be the statement from the one who would proudly said he had sold a 10kg kelah for RM2000 and insults you for being stupid to even consider releasing such a valuable fish. And mind you these would be what you would hear from those who still consider themselves to be sport-fisherman.
The sport-fishing concept is more self-imposed rather than legislated, you have to believe in it and that you have only yourself to please. You do it because it makes you think you are doing the right thing and that you are satisfied by your actions. No one else needs to be pleased. Well, others may call you a fool but it should be firmly believed that what you had committed to, does make a difference, however small the actual effects are, is the reason to it all.
You are here, as a sport-fishing angler, for the sport and love of it, the benefits in kind or economic returns should NOT be part of the equation. If your drive to fishing is getting meat on the table and change into your wallet, then you would be better off getting your fish from the market.
Many had talked of legislation and regulated controls but we do know that whatever the legislations or regulations that may be enacted, those will fail if there is no desire to adhere to them. The greed and temptations will see the end to that. In this country and Singapore as well, possession of drugs is a serious matter and the death sentence is the only end. Well did that work? Hell no, there does not seem to be a decrease on the number of hangings each year both here and across the border. Why is that, because the greed and temptations is overpowering and hence there is no desire to follow the law. Getting a fine and a “slap on the wrist” over a few extra kg of fish is certainly not a deterrent to many and if we the ‘sport-angler” do not want to adhere or have no confidence to any such laws do you honestly think that it will be a matter to the commercial guys?