I’m saddened by the post of Fishnut on the logging at Air Ganda. It certainly puts things in perspective. It makes the merits of keeping secret spots secret a little moot.
Marlin and other bros in this topic,
It appeared from my observation that fishios from urban towns tend to have a ‘kiasu’ attitude thus wiping out the fish whereas fishios from village are more concious and fish what they can consume. Exception are for those many fishios in this forum whom are professional about this sport. Some urban fishios go to the extend to pay the local villages or natives to collect fish for them!
I don’t reveal my locations unless I can trust him…anyway I don’t have any left now..sigh.
Sthang, yes, that’s probably a valid observation. Villagers have to live more closely with their environment and tend to be more in tune with nature. There are less of them to create a problem. City dwellers are transient visitors accustomed to paying for a quick service in shops, supermarkets and restaurants. There are more of them, putting pressure on waters within easy reach of the population centres. This will always be the case, but treating nature like a fast food outlet clearly doesn’t help.
here’s my 2 cents worth, in australia we (the fishermen/women) have a body that represents us all and takes our cause to the politicians, i know politics in m’sia are very different than to here, but i think we all need someone to stand up and speak out regarding the netters. currently here in australia the goverment is buying back licences from the netters and have proclaimed zones that no netting is allowed. it is to save the fishery as well as to keep the local villages economy growing, because without us visiting fisho’s they would all be bankcrupt.
fishing in malaysia needs to be regulated, here in victoria we are not allowed the use of set lines or nets to catch fish. major financial penalties are incurred if caught. there needs to be a set of rules put before the general public before our children or grandchildren can only see fish at the aquarium. fisheries needs to get off their asses and do something reguarding the utmost disrespectful and unsporting ways of catching fish.
i know a few fishos along with me that do purchase (with our own hard earned dollars), and stock fish fingerings into lakes and rivers, which we return to in a years or two time to hopefully find them still there and eating out lures. its not about secret spots, its about fishing ethics. telling someone where there are fish isn’t going to mean they are going to catch anything is they don’t know the techniques and proper rigs to fish the area.
anyway, got to get going now, the boss is back, will finish off later when i get the chance.
great fishing to you all & hope to catch up with some of you when i am in m’sia in july.
wohoo…!! boss has finally left. now back to my little story. i guess the main thing to do is to educate the younger generation of fisho’s about CnR and the importance of keeping whats left of the beautiful fishery alive and kicking. everyone is entitled to their catch of fish for consumption, but we all don’t need to keep everything that we catch. better we keep some small-medium sized fish for food and release the bigger breeding fish.
i know it is very difficult for hardcore fishos to let others in on their secret location, but lets face the truth. if we want to get the youth into fishing we have to teach them, let them know where there are fish. there’s no point just telling them to go here or there, where there’s no fish. they’ll lose interest and just end up ‘lepaking’ elsewhere. educate everyone from young to old, hold more MFN meetings on CnR, get the youngsters involved. discuss and keep an open mind on other people’s ideas. be generous and share.
Yo Sunny,
I certainly agree with what you say and I salute you for saying it …“its not about secret spots, its about fishing ethics..” and “..if we want to get the youth into fishing we have to teach them, let them know where there are fish…educate everyone from young to old…etc”
Ultimately, its all about education and ethics … and organizing ourselves into effective fishing lobbies. I remember one election year down under where the fishos’ battlecry was..“We fish and we vote.” Keep up the good work.
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Sunny, an excellent post!
I have a son myself now and he’s learning bit by bit. His first development was an appreciation of nature. He needs more patience for fishing. He has no problem releasing the fish he catches, provided I keep them all in a keep net so he can have a picture at the end with ALL the fish he caught. He’s proud when we release them and none of them are dead.
It saddens me when I see the extremely poor example many anglers set for the next generation. They are stealing the future from their own children, and worse, stealing from the future of mine, which I’m a bit fussy about!
It still surprises me that pictures of excessive catches/kills are tolerated or even posted with pride on this and other forums. All of us want to catch fish and excessive killing by some anglers is selfishly stealing from the rest of us. It’s often justified with “If I don’t take them, someone else will” which is not only accepting an inevitable future, but actually contributing towards it.
I got an sms recently telling me that catches are good at AK. The next thing I see are pictures of 50, 100, and more dead PB’s lined up for a photo shoot on some forums. So can we expect this good fishing to be available next weekend? And if it’s not, who’s to blame?
We all need to look inwards at ourselves. If you have children yourself, do you want them to be able to enjoy fishing? Or not?
Good looking boy Marlin, and doubly blessed to have a daddy teaching him to do the right things…bet he’ll soon grow up to be a very balanced young man.
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Having a son (or daughter) extends your own horizons, not to the end of your own life, but to the end of his. Will there still be any fish left for him and his son?
to me nothing beats getting little ones involved, the best thing i have heard is my friend’s son saying the famous ‘one last cast’ phrase 1st time out fishing.. after 100 more last casts we finally decided to call it a day.
by the way Marlin, i’ve heard from ming that u r an avid soft plastic fisho, when i’m back in july maybe we can catch up, i’d like to share a couple of different dvd’s with you, mainly on SP’s, making full use on sounders and live bait trolling.
cheers
Avid fisho, all types! Drop me a line when you are back.
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Having a son (or daughter) extends your own horizons, not to the end of your own life, but to the end of his. Will there still be any fish left for him and his son?
It is alway easier to teach someone young, my son who is now 7, started fishing when he was 5. It had always been drummed into him that fishing or rather angling is a sport and actually taking the fish is not important. Sure there are times that fish can be taken for the table but it was also impressed upon him not to take any if there is no intention for this purpose.
Till now, I have only taken him to fish at the Subang Lake and some paypond such as Towfoo and Sukida. Even at these places, he had asked why there are people taking all those small fish while we are releasing all our catch even when ours were much more sizeable. Fortunately he does accept that some but all of the fishing faternity subscribe to this C&R concept.
Now back to the main topic here, hot-spots whether secret or not, are often closely guarded. Some who equate this to being selfish but sometimes I do have my reservations.
There were many a time that while fishing at Subang Lake and we hit fish after fish at one particular spot, and what happens next, there will be an ever increasing number of anglers closing in on this spot and frequently casting to the exact spot we had been casting. This tend to end our fishing day. And for the next few days there would often be a few anglers at that exact same spot.
This not only happens for fresh water fishing. I was priviledged to have fish for many years at the Pekan waters. There were also the same occurances. Our boatman would arrive at a certain spot and just as quickly move again withou even wetting our lines. Apparently he had noticed that the trawler boats are nearby and if there were seen bring up fish, the spot will be gone the next day.
Within MFN, I must say, gathers a significant proportion of
“ethical” anglers. There are I must also concede, are those who do not contribute but are merely exploiters. Unfortunately, thats the drawback of a public forum.
It is my humble wish that the proportion of the “right framed” minded will always significantly out number all others within our Forum here. Hopefully, over time, we shall be able to educate the misaligned towards the concepts of ethical sport fishing. Reaching for the sky, I dare say, but hope is all there is. Coupled this with our continuous education to all anglers within MFN or beyond will be the key.
Hi Marlin,
I am all for sharing good hot spots for fishing cos even when we are not those who are determined to wipe out every fish still do it for their own personal reasons. The problem is fishingis different for everybody, sports anglers do it for challenge and fun so they practice CNR most of the time, others do it for meat or sell their catch for extra buck.
The answer is to educate which what MFN is doing through info sharing and specific activities. I think it has done a good job so far should continue to do so. The members will definitely support it as it is good for the long term.
I think if we want to receive a lot we also should give a lot. so keep it up and do not despair. The force will be with you.
Cheers
Over fishing, for example haruan spot, once declared all hell broke loose and even the juvenile also “sapu bersih” by the irresponsible anglers…Better condemn for “kedekut” rather than spoil the ecosystem
Enjoy the fishing process… including fish borrowed for photoshot…
agreed with all the forumers that gave their opinion in this topic…sometimes we have to hold on something that we love n never let it go…coz once we let it go nothing or no one can make sure the love are still around…like the fishing spot that can give us beautiful scenery n a lot of fishes…so for me there’s nothing wrong to keep it secret from the unresponsible anglers…just want to maintain what have god gave to us n try to keep it from awful harm that come from us…
ape bro…???
John Senbat Bro, I strongly agreed with you.. kedekut pun kedekut lah… The world is a gift, why destroy it…
Enjoy the fishing process… including fish borrowed for photoshot…
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John Senbat Bro, I strongly agreed with you.. kedekut pun kedekut lah.... The world is a gift, why destroy it....
thanks apek cina…
hope everyone iN this forum agreed with me…REMEMBER aaahhhh…not all anglers in this topic say no to tuba, bom ikan etc…REMEMBER MY FREN…please preserve our environment for the sake of our hobbies…love yourself n try to love the mother earth…huhuhuhuhuhuhu
ape bro…???
i gone to tasik prima yesterday and i really hate to see those irresponsible idiot who setup a net at the side of the lake and then a stupid fella who throw net to catch the fishes…but somehow what i observed was..none of them getting any fish…not even a small one… same to me too..i cant get any for that day although using my keli as bait…
for me… if you really fish using rod and hooks…it is not an issue if you wan to bring the fish home to pet or to eat…but if you using net or jala… better go to sea to do it lar… really spoil all the anglers mood…lake and pond are for anglers…sea is for fishermen and anglers
so for me..if i really know a good place…i will only share with genuine anglers..
I’m a beginner…i know nothing…so abang-abang, kakak-kakak, taiko- taiko sekalian…please teach me…
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i gone to tasik prima yesterday and i really hate to see those irresponsible idiot who setup a net at the side of the lake and then a stupid fella who throw net to catch the fishes...but somehow what i observed was..none of them getting any fish...not even a small one... same to me too..i cant get any for that day although using my keli as bait...for me… if you really fish using rod and hooks…it is not an issue if you wan to bring the fish home to pet or to eat…but if you using net or jala… better go to sea to do it lar… really spoil all the anglers mood…lake and pond are for anglers…sea is for fishermen and anglers
so for me..if i really know a good place…i will only share with genuine anglers..
I’m a beginner…i know nothing…so abang-abang, kakak-kakak, taiko- taiko sekalian…please teach me…
Aeson, when you gonna to bring me to Tasik Prima for fishing (100% Catch n Release)?
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AC,
Everyone know that place lar (i also know that place from forum here)…if you really wan to CnR..i rather u catch the fish and migrate them to another pond…all the fish here sure kena sapu away slowly by those fisherman…
Mutu takde tak apa… asal ada gaya cukup… ikan takde tak apa… janji ada member dapat…mesti pinjam untuk cam-whoring later