The Deadliest Peacock of Chenderoh

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Originally posted by rainbowrunner
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Originally posted by ekwong
Doc, a .22 will be fine. all we need is a carefully placed shot up between his balls but not with the intention to kill but rather to maim. A 9mm would have finished the idiot and there will not be any more fun.

Exactly the point![;)]

Sild,
Using a Barret 50mm is a waste. These guys that releases the aliens do not deserve the “class”. Probably what we can do with the .22 is to just split the ends of the slug.[;)]

RainbowRunner

Tightlines and screaming reels


Wow, then I better tell Pak Amin to avoid you guys. Like he said, if not for the Peacockbass we flyfishermen would not not pick up flyfishing. Both Malaysia and Singapore faced the same problem of not having enough game fishes to make it a game fishing destination. Luckily for us, his dreams will come true even it is just for Malaysia. Peacockbass like the Temensis bring in the big bucks and the authorities both are blind not to see impact it bring to the various industries in term of tourist dollars and tackle trade.

Singapore would have follow the Malaysian to have FFF membership if not for the half hearted people trying to form a club under the government wing. The Malaysian FFF charter will be able to host the next international flyfishing game when the local fisheries are robust to enough to attract international fly and lure fishermen and all you need are the peacockbass and we would have a FFF master representative for Asia.

What about the local species, well where are they. If the local authorities are strong enough to implement the laws, there will be no poachers and the local species will strives. Look at all the local fishing ponds, by not not stocking peacockbass they are losing customers. Worry about the accidental releases into the local streams and rivers. Tell me where you cannot find peacockbass in Malaysia.

Ron Looi, love him or hate him. Without him or the peacockbass there will be no flyfishing in Malaysia or Singapore.

Who have and do not like to hace a peacockbass at the end of your line?

Sim

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Originally posted by delongsim
quote:
Originally posted by rainbowrunner
quote:
Originally posted by ekwong
Doc, a .22 will be fine. all we need is a carefully placed shot up between his balls but not with the intention to kill but rather to maim. A 9mm would have finished the idiot and there will not be any more fun.

Exactly the point![;)]

Sild,
Using a Barret 50mm is a waste. These guys that releases the aliens do not deserve the “class”. Probably what we can do with the .22 is to just split the ends of the slug.[;)]

RainbowRunner

Tightlines and screaming reels


Wow, then I better tell Pak Amin to avoid you guys. Like he said, if not for the Peacockbass we flyfishermen would not not pick up flyfishing. Both Malaysia and Singapore faced the same problem of not having enough game fishes to make it a game fishing destination.

Is fishing in Malaysia that bad that we have to resort to the easiest fish to catch? And to give it a “game fish” tag is really doing injustice to all the other fish species in Malaysia!</font id=“red”>

Luckily for us, his dreams will come true even it is just for Malaysia. Peacockbass like the Temensis bring in the big bucks and the authorities both are blind not to see impact it bring to the various industries in term of tourist dollars and tackle trade.

“Peacockbass like the Temensis bring in the big bucks and the authorities both are blind not to see impact it bring to the various industries in term of tourist dollars and tackle trade.” – Unfortunately, our PB’s are not of the Temensis species and hardly give a fight longer then two minutes; and you call that a gamefish?
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Singapore would have follow the Malaysian to have FFF membership if not for the half hearted people trying to form a club under the government wing. The Malaysian FFF charter will be able to host the next international flyfishing game when the local fisheries are robust to enough to attract international fly and lure fishermen and all you need are the peacockbass and we would have a FFF master representative for Asia.

Let’s face it; sports fishing in Malaysia has never been given good PR because in the eyes of the authorities, they do not generate tourist dollars. I guess another reason is that most of these decision makers are not anglers!

Ask most western anglers and they would not have heard of; let alone fought a Toman in their life! If they have, they would not hesitate to come back again for another fishing trip for the Tomans.</font id=“red”>

Look at the Japanese and Taiwanese; they repeatedly come back to Malaysia for the Tomans.</font id=“red”>

What about the local species, well where are they. If the local authorities are strong enough to implement the laws, there will be no poachers and the local species will strives. Look at all the local fishing ponds, by not not stocking peacockbass they are losing customers. Worry about the accidental releases into the local streams and rivers. Tell me where you cannot find peacockbass in Malaysia.

Totally agree with you on the authorities part! I have just received reports that there are anglers going in to Sg Cacing to fish for the Red Kelahs. This despite it being closed by the authorities!
But that does not mean that two wrongs make a right! It’s bad enough that there are poaching for Kelahs,; it’s another thing to be releasing aliens to “replace” them!

If Kelahs are in shortage, we still have the Tomans, Sebaraus. Tapahs, Gahaks, etc. All these species provide better sports fishing action then the PB’s. Why should we designate the “game fish” title to the PB when we have so many more worthy contenders?</font id=“red”>

Ron Looi, love him or hate him. Without him or the peacockbass there will be no flyfishing in Malaysia or Singapore.

“Without him or the peacockbass there will be no flyfishing in Malaysia or Singapore.” – Come on, there’s still the tarpons, lampans, pacus, etc that readily take flies. It is absurd to be making that type of comment unless your flyfishing exploits have been limited to PB’s only.
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Who have and do not like to hace a peacockbass at the end of your line?

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RainbowRunner

Tightlines and screaming reels

Again I wish to repeat my statement

“Here is the main problem, many a simpleton will refer to this site and make hue and cry over why this “lovely” fish is not to be kept for the great gamefishing potential. It is the very same views of a very famous Mr Ron Looi. He had said that the local water no longer holds sufficient gamefish for the angler and therefore peacock bass (PB) should be introduced to provide the same. What he had not noted is that the PB tends not to supplement the local fish but to decimate them to the point that there soon will not be any other spieces. A real life case study to this would be the waters at CWS. What was thought to be the boon to angling is now considered a pest to be eradicated.”

It is the absolute rubbish view that if there is no PB there is no flyfishing. If that is the case, I for one shall have a very dim of such socalled “fly-fisherman”. Most of the flyguys I know enjoy wild tarpons, smallish haruan or pond bred pacu, rohu, jelawat even the common tilapia better.

I shall also personally ask Pak Amin on your statement proportly made by him. If he does affirm your heresay, then my opinion of him shall be as low as that I have of the other so called flyfisherman who specialised on local PB.

quote:
Originally posted by delongsim
quote:
Originally posted by rainbowrunner
quote:
Originally posted by ekwong
Doc, a .22 will be fine. all we need is a carefully placed shot up between his balls but not with the intention to kill but rather to maim. A 9mm would have finished the idiot and there will not be any more fun.

Exactly the point![;)]

Sild,
Using a Barret 50mm is a waste. These guys that releases the aliens do not deserve the “class”. Probably what we can do with the .22 is to just split the ends of the slug.[;)]

RainbowRunner

Tightlines and screaming reels


Wow, then I better tell Pak Amin to avoid you guys. Like he said, if not for the Peacockbass we flyfishermen would not not pick up flyfishing. Both Malaysia and Singapore faced the same problem of not having enough game fishes to make it a game fishing destination. Luckily for us, his dreams will come true even it is just for Malaysia. Peacockbass like the Temensis bring in the big bucks and the authorities both are blind not to see impact it bring to the various industries in term of tourist dollars and tackle trade.

Singapore would have follow the Malaysian to have FFF membership if not for the half hearted people trying to form a club under the government wing. The Malaysian FFF charter will be able to host the next international flyfishing game when the local fisheries are robust to enough to attract international fly and lure fishermen and all you need are the peacockbass and we would have a FFF master representative for Asia.

What about the local species, well where are they. If the local authorities are strong enough to implement the laws, there will be no poachers and the local species will strives. Look at all the local fishing ponds, by not not stocking peacockbass they are losing customers. Worry about the accidental releases into the local streams and rivers. Tell me where you cannot find peacockbass in Malaysia.

Ron Looi, love him or hate him. Without him or the peacockbass there will be no flyfishing in Malaysia or Singapore.

Who have and do not like to hace a peacockbass at the end of your line?

Sim


delong sim,
lets get straight to the point.

firstly you do not know what you’ re talking about.

secondly do you actually think in your misguided mind of yours that malaysian peacock bass would be able to attract international flyfisherman (saved of course flyfishermen from singapore).if your answer is yes, then i want to know how would pbs bring in the BIG BUCKS . cause i am a flyfishermen myself and i do not rate highly pb as THE ultimate gamefish, even a zero weight fly rod would do no justice.

thirdly if you are a desk bound fisherman it is only natural for you to assume that malaysia do not have game fish (saved for you aquarium)

fourthly since when did malaysia have its own FFF charter cause as far as i know we cant even get AFFM off the ground.

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Originally posted by ekwong
Again I wish to repeat my statement

It is the absolute rubbish view that if there is no PB there is no flyfishing. If that is the case, I for one shall have a very dim of such socalled “fly-fisherman”. Most of the flyguys I know enjoy wild tarpons, smallish haruan or pond bred pacu, rohu, jelawat even the common tilapia</font id=“red”> better.


…and these are your native fishes.

Sim

dear Mr Sim,

Yes, those are not what is often refered as NATIVES but then these are not known to have the same eco disaster. Pacu do not breed naturally, rohu are basically vegetarians, jelawat is native and the common tilapia is not all that common any more.

PBs are eco destructive and that cannot be denied.

We can take some positive steps instead of taking the laws into our own hands. Since MFN has organised some river cleaning, rubbish collecting and competitions successfully, it is time MFN will summon all the volunteers to clean up Chenderoh Dams by ways of sports fishing. I believe many will join and help from various quarters will pour in.

No doubt Chenderoh is huge and only continuous efforts will bring results; we can also recruit the local fishermen into our movement by educating them about the danger of PBs and garness their efforts towards eliminating this threat.

So MFN, hold a kenduri there and invite all the local folks for a talk on PBs. Hope they will think in line with us.

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Originally posted by ekwong
dear Mr Sim,

Yes, those are not what is often refered as NATIVES but then these are not known to have the same eco disaster. Pacu do not breed naturally, rohu are basically vegetarians, jelawat is native and the common tilapia is not all that common any more.

PBs are eco destructive and that cannot be denied.


So, you are saying that it is ok for alien species like the rohu, pacu and tillapia to replace your natives species but not the peacockbass. In your other thread, Maybe you should have anotther look at the common tilapia. Have you fished at Tow Foo pond. If you have you and stop to smell the toufu, you would have notice the the problem created ny the tilapia along the banks of the ponds there. Their nestig have create erosions everywhere, not just Tow Foo.

Here are some write up about your common tilapia.

Tilapia have characteristics that allow them to easily establish in new areas and become dominant at the expense of native fish populations. These characteristics include simple food requirements, flexible habitat preferences and highly efficient breeding strategies.

Tilapia can dominate local fish communities, displacing local species. They may also have an effect on native fish through aggressive behaviour and competition for food and space. They are also known to occasionally prey on the eggs and fry of other fish.

Tilapia are capable of colonising degraded habitats in which other animals cannot survive. They may also contribute to habitat degradation, with nest building by the males having the potential to damage aquatic vegetation and lead to increased turbidity by digging thus reducing the light available for aquatic plants, and eating certain types of aquatic plants causing changes in local aquatic flora.

Same goes for your lovely carps too.

Guess if it cute and lovely they are no threats to the native species, for you I hope. Time to get your of the well and smell the toufu.

Sim

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Originally posted by delongsim

So, you are saying that it is ok for alien species like the rohu, pacu and tillapia to replace your natives species but not the peacockbass. In your other thread, Maybe you should have anotther look at the common tilapia. Have you fished at Tow Foo pond. If you have you and stop to smell the toufu, you would have notice the the problem created ny the tilapia along the banks of the ponds there. Their nestig have create erosions everywhere, not just Tow Foo.

Here are some write up about your common tilapia.

Tilapia have characteristics that allow them to easily establish in new areas and become dominant at the expense of native fish populations. These characteristics include simple food requirements, flexible habitat preferences and highly efficient breeding strategies.

Tilapia can dominate local fish communities, displacing local species. They may also have an effect on native fish through aggressive behaviour and competition for food and space. They are also known to occasionally prey on the eggs and fry of other fish.

Tilapia are capable of colonising degraded habitats in which other animals cannot survive. They may also contribute to habitat degradation, with nest building by the males having the potential to damage aquatic vegetation and lead to increased turbidity by digging thus reducing the light available for aquatic plants, and eating certain types of aquatic plants causing changes in local aquatic flora.

Same goes for your lovely carps too.

Guess if it cute and lovely they are no threats to the native species, for you I hope. Time to get your of the well and smell the toufu.

Sim


So from this I gathered that you are opposed to the introduction of the tilapia (a variation of chilid), am I on the right track? If we can agree that the introduction of the tilapia is a mistake why should we then repeat the same by accepting the introduction of the PB, Jaguar and other foreign chilids. Would the results be any different?

We know what the PB, Jaguars Chilids, loaches and some other foreign fish will do to our eco system. If we do know of the detrimental effects and still wants to introduce them for the simple reason that it will provide an avenue for your fishing pleasure, then that’s selfish.

the tilapia, rohu and carps may be also be damaging but then they are not in the numbers that could do the harm. You take TowFoo for instance, which you seemed to know so well, tilapia was a problem and now there is another, the tilapia is disappearing, care to know why? Let me also assure you that it is not due to PB in the TowFoo ponds, it is for a simple reason that the tilapia is a food fish as with rohu and carps. These were never in such abundance that actual damage can de done. It is also for this same reason that I for one, as with many, oppose to tilapia farming in Kenyir or any large lakes. Fish farming is essential for our economic needs but it should also be confined.

For your information, tilapia nest are the bowls on the floor of the pond. The banks erosion is due to many other factors but the tilapias cannot be blamed.

On the final note, the introduction of the tilapia, rohu and many other foreigners and not necessarily confining to fish only (eg crows for instance) may be and are mistakes made. We were unable to stop them but now we are in a better position. We have the knowledge and the experience to these matters. The big questions is why are we repeating the bitter history?

ekwong,

I think you have lost the wood for the trees. It too late for me to be concerned whether it a tilapia or a peacockbass. The damage has been done.

You ought to really get out of the well, frog do get a very narrow tunnel vision. To think that beacuse you see a dwindling numbers of tilapia at TowFoo then they are not a eco threat to the environment. But peacockbass are because they are aggressive. You need to study what are the implications of these aliens species beside biting one another. A tiny snail can cause havou in some countries let alone a toothy predator. But I guess it no danger to the like of you who think they are toohless and ant eat the other fishes.

The big questions is why are we repeating the bitter history?</font id=“red”> You asked and answered yourself.

Sim

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Originally posted by delongsim Ron Looi, love him or hate him. Without him or the peacockbass there will be no flyfishing in Malaysia or Singapore. Sim

I hope you are not representing the fly fishing community in Malaysia by stating fly fishing got off the ground due to PeacockBass. And if I understand correctly - it will definately get off the ground (AFMM?) by having more PeacockBass waters.

Are you sure your statement (represents fly fishing community in Malaysia) and also the understanding it brings?

This is no longer on tilapia or tunnel vision or alien species. It has come to making a statement to justify self-serving needs.

And for RonLooi being a proponent (and self-appointed) PeacockBass expert - he only managed to release the aquarium version. Hard to see international anglers paying real money to fish for an aquarium fish in Malaysia instead of the real thing in South America. For that matter - PeacockBass belongs in South America.

dear Mr Sim,

If I am lost, I do hope to find myelf, but you are the one that is all supportive of PB being further introduced just to satisfy your need for some flyfishing experience. You may wish to read your own posting (dated 23rd May) to refresh yourself, may I take upon myself to repeat your posting:-

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Wow, then I better tell Pak Amin to avoid you guys. Like he said, if not for the Peacockbass we flyfishermen would not not pick up flyfishing. Both Malaysia and Singapore faced the same problem of not having enough game fishes to make it a game fishing destination. Luckily for us, his dreams will come true even it is just for Malaysia. Peacockbass like the Temensis bring in the big bucks and the authorities both are blind not to see impact it bring to the various industries in term of tourist dollars and tackle trade.

Singapore would have follow the Malaysian to have FFF membership if not for the half hearted people trying to form a club under the government wing. The Malaysian FFF charter will be able to host the next international flyfishing game when the local fisheries are robust to enough to attract international fly and lure fishermen and all you need are the peacockbass and we would have a FFF master representative for Asia.

What about the local species, well where are they. If the local authorities are strong enough to implement the laws, there will be no poachers and the local species will strives. Look at all the local fishing ponds, by not not stocking peacockbass they are losing customers. Worry about the accidental releases into the local streams and rivers. Tell me where you cannot find peacockbass in Malaysia.

Ron Looi, love him or hate him. Without him or the peacockbass there will be no flyfishing in Malaysia or Singapore.

Who have and do not like to hace a peacockbass at the end of your line?

Sim

If after reading the above and if there is anyone who does not come to the conclusion that you are not a PB advocate then, there must be error to the transmission of your message in the English langguage as we know it. It is clearly evident by your writing, that in your view, that if there is no PB there would not be any flyfishing in Malaysia or Singapore. That being the case, I am sad that you are either a very inexperienced or that you are not actually a flyfisherman at all.

Please do visit to TackleBox in Subang Jaya (by the way your Pak Amin is often there as well), while there, you may wish to glance at the many pictures on the walls showing numerous fish species including but not limited to sebarau, toman, haruan, belida, lampam, tengas, kelah and other natives being hooked on flies. A polite word with the many flycasters there would probably point you to some ponds or lakes where you can experienced the trill of hooking up with something other than a PB. Hope that answers your question where to find native species, these are there, it just takes a little more effort.

You had also gone on the subject that there are other aliens (Pacu, Rohu & Tilapia being your examples) introduced to our eco-system and they are just as destructive. I do agree, the introduction of crows for one (this was mentioned in one of my posting in reply). My reply to you if you do understand the English langguage is specific to these species as you had cited, though there may be others. In simple truth, pacu do not breed naturally and you actually need a license to keep them. (You can see a sample of this license stuck on the door to the kitchen at TowFoo), Both rohu and tilapia are food fish (which PB is not) and their numbers are controlled naturally by them being taken from ponds and lakes in the frequencies that their numbers had not reached the epidemic numbers that their destructive nature will be fully realised. May I just ask, when was the last time you had hooked a large, say 1kg sized, rohu or tilapia in the wild (non-pay pond, that is, you may have but it would be often)? PB on the otherhand had poliferated in many ponds and lakes. With it not being a popular food fish many if not most are released. This together with their efficient reproduction and survival instinct had seen then colonising many ponds and lakes and thus reducing if not eliminating most local/native fish species.

Another of your statement:-

I think you have lost the wood for the trees. It too late for me to be concerned whether it a tilapia or a peacockbass. The damage has been done.

The truth is that it is never too late, there are still many ponds and lakes that do not have PB or tilapia, and strong efforts must be made that these are not introduced there. Aquaculture of tilipia, rohu and carps, unfortunately cannot be eliminated but efforts must be made to have them confined.

I am strongly against introduction of alien species that would have an adverse effect on our already delicate eco-system. PB (with the JC and lohan) is known to be distructive and these may already be in many ponds and lakes but do you have to make the effort to introduce them to any other ponds and lakes that do not have them? And if doing this is all in the name of promoting flyfishing then it is sad. It puts me to shame just to own a flyrod and to be associated to this cause.

Wow, then I better tell Pak Amin to avoid you guys. Like he said, if not for the Peacockbass we flyfishermen would not not pick up flyfishing. Both Malaysia and Singapore faced the same problem of not having enough game fishes to make it a game fishing destination. Luckily for us, his dreams will come true even it is just for Malaysia. Peacockbass like the Temensis bring in the big bucks and the authorities both are blind not to see impact it bring to the various industries in term of tourist dollars and tackle trade.

Singapore would have follow the Malaysian to have FFF membership if not for the half hearted people trying to form a club under the government wing. The Malaysian FFF charter will be able to host the next international flyfishing game when the local fisheries are robust to enough to attract international fly and lure fishermen and all you need are the peacockbass and we would have a FFF master representative for Asia.

What about the local species, well where are they. If the local authorities are strong enough to implement the laws, there will be no poachers and the local species will strives. Look at all the local fishing ponds, by not not stocking peacockbass they are losing customers. Worry about the accidental releases into the local streams and rivers. Tell me where you cannot find peacockbass in Malaysia.

Ron Looi, love him or hate him. Without him or the peacockbass there will be no flyfishing in Malaysia or Singapore.

Who have and do not like to hace a peacockbass at the end of your line?

Sim
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Dear sim, perhaps u need to get out of the woods more often(or rather get in) so that u can see the beauty of malaysian’s native fishes. This words stands or falls on it own.

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Just a simple diversion from the main topic,

To me personally, a significant part of the joys of fishing is the sights of nature. At times, just the smell of fresh air and clear water make a whole trip wothwhile even the fish refuses to co operate. I do not think fishing in a commercial fishing pond with rubbish everywhere (like many pay-ponds) is all too enjoyable even if there is plenty of biting fish.

Ooops, did I said Ron Looi, love him or hate him. Without him or the peacockbass there will be no flyfishing in Malaysia or Singapore. I meant to say that without PAK AMIN or the peacockbass there will be no flyfishing in Malaysia or Singaproe. If not, he would not have place so energy into the temensis program.

Sim

dear Mr Sim,

Now you had stooped to your lowest now. I do personally know Pak Amin and do meet him often at TackleBox. Within all the times I had known him, he had never voiced what you had attributted to him. You had done the man a great injustice. Shame on you.

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Originally posted by ekwong
dear Mr Sim,

Now you had stooped to your lowest now. I do personally know Pak Amin and do meet him often at TackleBox. Within all the times I had known him, he had never voiced what you had attributted to him. You had done the man a great injustice. Shame on you.


Dear Ek and the rest of you tormented fellas,

Greetings from Penang!

You are dealing with a mentally handicapped and morally bankrupt a hole who has only one agenda on his mind; that is to irritate us all. Just ignore this effer lar. He’s not worth it.

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Originally posted by orangminyak
[quote]Originally posted by ekwong
dear Mr Sim,

Now you had stooped to your lowest now. I do personally know Pak Amin and do meet him often at TackleBox. Within all the times I had known him, he had never voiced what you had attributted to him. You had done the man a great injustice. Shame on you.


Dear Ek and the rest of you tormented fellas,

Greetings from Penang!

You are dealing with a mentally handicapped and morally bankrupt a hole who has only one agenda on his mind; that is to irritate us all. Just ignore this effer lar. He’s not worth it.

And we shld thank him for reminding us what harm pb has brought.[8D]

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Pak Nawi (F1 tekong Chenderoh) also told me that there’s certain spot in Chenderoh that contain of this species (Peacock BASS).

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