quote:Originally posted by shatha prkhash 4lbs line peacock bass on 1st May with bro Wai1460 as special guest
I arrived at CWS around 9 in the morning and proceeded to my spot in the platform.I caught a PB earlier but lost it to the lotus pads.There were two gentlemen fishing beside me using relatively heavy tackle and 30lbs line to target patin.They were there since 6 in the morning.Bro wai1460 arrived soon by 10.I landed a PB as soon as he came( banyak ong woo…[:D]) but it too was lost to the lotus pads.
Bro wai1460 just arriving at CWS.
We proceeded to the fishing club lake where there was a chinese family fishing there and landing patung fish non-stop.The gentleman there asked me to cast at a certain sopt where they were hooking patung after patung but i stick to my rule of catching PB with 4lbs line.I hit fish again,but the same thing happen.After some undesireable and unwanted incidents we proceeded back to the wetlands.
There,bro wai1460 was targeting patin by using hong.I proceeded to the PB spawning ground(gua punya secret spot) at the end of the lake.My first cast was a dull coloured PB,female on float rig and baby carp as bait</font id=“red”></font id=“size4”>.The fish fought good on 4lbs line.I returned to the car as i forgot my keepnet and rushed back.
My second cast was the grand finale.I hooked something that fought hard and had a 5 minute fight with it. It was a Grander peacock bass.
Grander PB
A grander PB is a male PB during the mating season.They sure fight hard.Observe the red colour between the gills.It was almost going to rain,so i had to carry all my things back to my grandpas car.I had forgot i kept the previous PB at the icebox so i only took photos with the grander.sorry for the inconvience.
The predator and Prey
Dropping the fish into the pail to be sent to the icebox by mouth.
The grander tasted great cooked “goreng kicap”.Eat it to every bit of flesh that night for dinner.I had a wonderful trip and also learned what one of my sifu told me which i only realised after the trip that it was really true
“Fishing is not all about catching fish”.-uncle Richard @ rainbowrunner.</font id=“blue”></font id=“size4”>
Peacock bass goreng kicap,BAEK PUNYE!!
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SP,
Admire you for your help to alleviate the pressure on our local species but the next time please use local bait fishes like the seluang aka “kimpin” or freshwater shrimps.
Using baby carp baits could contribute to them spawning should they escape from your hook or if you choose to release them at the end of the day.
Thanks for the compliment uncle.I use the baby carp as bait which they use to feed larger fish (18 fishes for Rm.1).I understand that they are an alien species but i do not understand how these carp can cause damage to the ecosystem.They are not as harmful as cichlids by my opinion.Can you please shed some light and enlight my understanding here uncle.Thank you
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Carps do damage unlike predatory fish did… predators like sp or luohan will devour anything in their path to their extinction, which is quicker and easily observed in short period of time
Herbivore however, such as leekoh aka common carp will do it in a finer way. If u observe carefully their mouth is lobed downwards. Meaning tat they are bottom feeder, and very good ground digger as they source for their food right beneath the sediments. After prolonged period of ‘ploughing’ the ground, it will cause heavy silting as sand were spitting out instead of devoured, the bottom become unstable and dry land on higher ground will slowly sink or even collapse abruptly. Making the pond shallower and muddier. They change the entire water system thus destroying the natives inside, not by directly killing them
however the worst of such species is non other than the much sought after cleaner fish we fondly know as bandaraya… Waterway Enemy No.1. With they brute strength, they able to move lots of earth and cut further inwards underneath the ground every year till the land on top beecomes unbalanced and erosion occurs…
Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you
US also got.. Got 1 river there infested by Big Head Carp!! Tongsan we call it here.. They brand them as rubbish, pest.. duno how 2 clear all those fish. The tongsan alot until they jump up a moving boat!! If they post a job here for us, Malaysian angler to clear those tongsan, i’m sure in 1 mth tongsan there will extinct!! Lol.. They can actually held fishing competition at da river oso de.. Those with most catch of those unwanted tongsan get usd50k?? Haha..
guys would just like to share with u some info that was published in the local fishing magazine a while back about clearwater… i read an article about how they had recently restocked the lake with fish and some were not local species… there is also an advertisement regularly published in fishing mags which states “fish species include PACU, temoleh, grass carp,kalui, haruan, ketutu, catsish, BIGHEAD CARP, peacock bass, prawns…”
based on this i have some questions… bighead carps (tongsan) and common carps (leekoh) have basically the same effect on a body of water right? if yes, and seeing how they already have tongsans and other alien species in the lake, is it still not advisable to use baby carps as bait?.. let me stress at this point that i understand and agree completely with protecting our natural species and eco-systems… however it would seem that this place in particular has already been designated as a kind of game-fishing spot… we could probably even call it a big paypond right?.. so is there still really a relevant issue concerning using baby carps as bait?
another thing which i would like to ask… wat are the chances of a hooked baby carp that some how gets loose from a hook have of actually surviving?.. i ask this because it would seem to me that a fish that small wit a gaping hook wound would not have much chance of making a recovery… even if the wound managed to close, i would assume that infection would eventually kill it…
once again i would like to stress that im only asking so that i can improve my knowledge on the subject… not trying to piss anyone off… im just very new to fishing and feel i have so much more to learn and catch up with… hope u guys can help me out… cheers!
Kevin bro, perhaps those leftovers tat are still healthy v usually just release them after each trip, better karma n feel better i suppose hahahha
anyway most places have them edi, cept for those untravellable mountain rivers and stream lo… just to be safe i guess is wat ek bro meant.
btw, big head and crass carp do not effect the body of water the same way… mouth of the bighead if look closely is not pointed downwards… it’s actually feed like a whale shark open its mouth real wide and trap all the tiny particles and zooplankton along the way
Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you
Whatever it is the worst is still bandaraya…if you step on the bugger and beat it with stick also wont die.It can live out of water for a few hours.This is the main culprit in this issue.
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just that an alien specie is already present does not require that we, the responsible anglers, should add to the problem. To be sure, the survival instinct of the released “bait” fish cannot be underestimated. Carps have fantastic survival instincts and are super resilient. Have most of us ever not claimed to have hooked or seen grossly deformed fishes and yet they still survive, some to some decent sizes.
CWS and other similar places tends to have some huge lakes / ponds which are rather unregulated. Its alien fish stock could easily ‘escape’ and flow into other bodies of water which in earlier times do not contain these species. This is how most if not all the ponds within Perak aquired their PB stock. It is the same in Australia and the US, where the original stock of carps were brought in as part of the aquaculture industry. The escaped few had proliferated and their created problem is what we try to avoid.
bro TJS… throwing in leftover live baby carps is definitely a bad idea… they definitely can survive and grow real fast… actually a lot of payponds that have leekoh in it is due to the fact that ppl threw in leftover baby carps…
bro SP… haha bandaraya dont need to say la… those fellas will survive nuclear strike… by the way bro… since u seem to be the CWS regular… just curious… wat are the chances of landing other fish species besides PB there if u do not have a boat?.. oh yea btw… i’ve never actually used baby carps as bait… landed a few PB’s before but all using ikan seluang… so changing ur bait shouldn’t decrease ur bite rate…
bro ek… thanks for the info… u make a good point bout the fishes escaping into other bodies of water… i was under the impression that CWS wasn’t attached to any moving bodies of water… but i guess all we need is a flood and presto… on the subject of PB’s… actually they are everywhere already… most ponds around KL and PJ that i have fished at have them… and i also read that there are pacu’s in a few rivers in Pahang due to fish farming on the rivers…
thanks guys for the quick and informative responses to my questions!.. once again my apologies if i said anything offensive…
quote:Originally posted by kevinsj bro TJS... throwing in leftover live baby carps is definitely a bad idea... they definitely can survive and grow real fast... actually a lot of payponds that have leekoh in it is due to the fact that ppl threw in leftover baby carps...
bro SP… haha bandaraya dont need to say la… those fellas will survive nuclear strike… by the way bro… since u seem to be the CWS regular… just curious… wat are the chances of landing other fish species besides PB there if u do not have a boat?.. oh yea btw… i’ve never actually used baby carps as bait… landed a few PB’s before but all using ikan seluang… so changing ur bait shouldn’t decrease ur bite rate…
bro ek… thanks for the info… u make a good point bout the fishes escaping into other bodies of water… i was under the impression that CWS wasn’t attached to any moving bodies of water… but i guess all we need is a flood and presto… on the subject of PB’s… actually they are everywhere already… most ponds around KL and PJ that i have fished at have them… and i also read that there are pacu’s in a few rivers in Pahang due to fish farming on the rivers…
thanks guys for the quick and informative responses to my questions!.. once again my apologies if i said anything offensive…
Hmmmm,lets see here.Besides PB i only have caught ikan patung (malayan leaf cichlid),not even tilapia.By the way,where is the lake you caught the PB?
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Public parks around PJ area and some in Kepong/Kelana Jaya/Subang Jaya… all small small buggers la… biggest 700grams… but take note some of these ponds u have to get a permit from the local majlis to fish…
well there used to be big PBs in the lakes in Subang and PJ. I remembered when I first moved to Subang Jaya, I would take my then 4yeras old son fishing at the Holiday Villa lake. Believe it or not, he once brought up a PB more than 1kg. PBs of 2kg and above was regularly fished and at one time there were a few spearfisherman bringing up 3kg sized PBs and 10kg tomans from the same lake.
now however, most of the PBs there are no more than 5 inches. fished out I supposed.
quote:Originally posted by ekwong well there used to be big PBs in the lakes in Subang and PJ. I remembered when I first moved to Subang Jaya, I would take my then 4yeras old son fishing at the Holiday Villa lake. Believe it or not, he once brought up a PB more than 1kg. PBs of 2kg and above was regularly fished and at one time there were a few spearfisherman bringing up 3kg sized PBs and 10kg tomans from the same lake.
now however, most of the PBs there are no more than 5 inches. fished out I supposed.
Correct uncle,i also agree its because of over fishing.Too many anglers at the lake and furthermore its a public lake.But the bright side is that the PB population of the lake is decreasing.If there were still the 2kgs PB like you mentioned,there will be no other fish there.But i think that it will be better if MPSJ control all the angling activities in the lake like MBPJ because the problem is too much fishing in the lake.
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Carps do damage unlike predatory fish did… predators like sp or luohan will devour anything in their path to their extinction, which is quicker and easily observed in short period of time
Herbivore however, such as leekoh aka common carp will do it in a finer way. If u observe carefully their mouth is lobed downwards. Meaning tat they are bottom feeder, and very good ground digger as they source for their food right beneath the sediments. After prolonged period of ‘ploughing’ the ground, it will cause heavy silting as sand were spitting out instead of devoured, the bottom become unstable and dry land on higher ground will slowly sink or even collapse abruptly. Making the pond shallower and muddier. They change the entire water system thus destroying the natives inside, not by directly killing them
however the worst of such species is non other than the much sought after cleaner fish we fondly know as bandaraya… Waterway Enemy No.1. With they brute strength, they able to move lots of earth and cut further inwards underneath the ground every year till the land on top beecomes unbalanced and erosion occurs…
Novice angler here, any constructive advices greatly appreciated. Thank you
TJS,
You astound me everytime you talk facts! You are so knowledgeable that sometimes it is indeed an shame that older anglers are so ignorant about such issues. Hats off to you, young man!
