Kenyir trip -CnR disscussions

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Heck, even in the Visit Msia Year 2007 list of interesting activities, sportfishing was not listed in any of them. Even our ever so famous rompin sailfish was not even highlighted.. They rather include other stuff like Malaysia International Fireworks Competition and Royal Go-Kart Competition.. This was highlighted in rod & line, by the editor.

A multi-billion dollar industry in other countries… a totally overlooked industry in Malaysia.Hopefully our voices would 1 day be heard.

Reminds me of the old Metalicca song.. Sad but trueeee + the massive guitar riff.[}:)]

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Originally posted by geno
Heck, even in the Visit Msia Year 2007 list of interesting activities, sportfishing was not listed in any of them. Even our ever so famous rompin sailfish was not even highlighted.. They rather include other stuff like Malaysia International Fireworks Competition and Royal Go-Kart Competition.. This was highlighted in rod & line, by the editor.

A multi-billion dollar industry in other countries… a totally overlooked industry in Malaysia.Hopefully our voices would 1 day be heard.

Reminds me of the old Metalicca song.. Sad but trueeee + the massive guitar riff.[}:)]

You are asking the wrong questions…
1st question should be … what is in it for them? (Govt Officials)??
Let me share my point of view… Fireworks will cost thousands of RM …they need to award the job to someone… and of cos the Public Secret Tax will be imposed, and they need to work with ONE vendor ONLY.. easy to regulate and impose the Public Secret Tax.

If they promote fishing… how will the be able to impose the Public Secret Tax … I am sure they will not be able to impose it on the Operators there.. too difficult to impose… do the math and u will see the light…

Visit Malaysia Year is great but Angling would never be part of the agenda, as it is virtually a Non taxable item when it comes to the Public Secret Tax… hahahahahaha

No pain no gain, dont try dont know… muahahahahaha

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Originally posted by LuckySamurai
quote:
Originally posted by geno
Heck, even in the Visit Msia Year 2007 list of interesting activities, sportfishing was not listed in any of them. Even our ever so famous rompin sailfish was not even highlighted.. They rather include other stuff like Malaysia International Fireworks Competition and Royal Go-Kart Competition.. This was highlighted in rod & line, by the editor.

A multi-billion dollar industry in other countries… a totally overlooked industry in Malaysia.Hopefully our voices would 1 day be heard.

Reminds me of the old Metalicca song.. Sad but trueeee + the massive guitar riff.[}:)]

You are asking the wrong questions…
1st question should be … what is in it for them? (Govt Officials)??
Let me share my point of view… Fireworks will cost thousands of RM …they need to award the job to someone… and of cos the Public Secret Tax will be imposed, and they need to work with ONE vendor ONLY.. easy to regulate and impose the Public Secret Tax.

If they promote fishing… how will the be able to impose the Public Secret Tax … I am sure they will not be able to impose it on the Operators there.. too difficult to impose… do the math and u will see the light…

Visit Malaysia Year is great but Angling would never be part of the agenda, as it is virtually a Non taxable item when it comes to the Public Secret Tax… hahahahahaha

No pain no gain, dont try dont know… muahahahahaha

How true. If that is the case, why now we, the sports fishing community of Malaysia then start promoting it on our own? Don’t need to always rely on BN for things right?


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Malaysia punya fishing tourism industry is very sad indeed. How to promote if there are still no guide line or even a slightest previllage for Malaysian angler. Look at the boat that we have to fish on.. dmn sad. These skipper turun pukat for weekdays, sapu all the fish and then take charter on the same boat for the weekend. Same spot for fishing. Governmont want to control that.. there will be petition from the fisherman community. So how to promote when there are hardly preserved fishing spot? See Bali’s fish… Koh adang’s fish… we need those kind of net free area first..

Does fish ever retaliate?
http://joran-fishingtips.blogspot.com

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Originally posted by afro_d
quote:
Originally posted by LuckySamurai
quote:
Originally posted by geno
Heck, even in the Visit Msia Year 2007 list of interesting activities, sportfishing was not listed in any of them. Even our ever so famous rompin sailfish was not even highlighted.. They rather include other stuff like Malaysia International Fireworks Competition and Royal Go-Kart Competition.. This was highlighted in rod & line, by the editor.

A multi-billion dollar industry in other countries… a totally overlooked industry in Malaysia.Hopefully our voices would 1 day be heard.

Reminds me of the old Metalicca song.. Sad but trueeee + the massive guitar riff.[}:)]

You are asking the wrong questions…
1st question should be … what is in it for them? (Govt Officials)??
Let me share my point of view… Fireworks will cost thousands of RM …they need to award the job to someone… and of cos the Public Secret Tax will be imposed, and they need to work with ONE vendor ONLY.. easy to regulate and impose the Public Secret Tax.

If they promote fishing… how will the be able to impose the Public Secret Tax … I am sure they will not be able to impose it on the Operators there.. too difficult to impose… do the math and u will see the light…

Visit Malaysia Year is great but Angling would never be part of the agenda, as it is virtually a Non taxable item when it comes to the Public Secret Tax… hahahahahaha

No pain no gain, dont try dont know… muahahahahaha

How true. If that is the case, why now we, the sports fishing community of Malaysia then start promoting it on our own? Don’t need to always rely on BN for things right?


IMHO, if one is good enough of an angler, and understands the needs of other anglers.. why not set up your own angling guide business.
Prepare an A&P budget, set up a website and promote it yourself, there is no stopping anyone here from doing so, there are so many spots to fish in Malaysia, productivity as with fishing in anywhere is 50/50… so those who are thinking of doing it, I tip my hat off to you..and wish you all the best and good luck, may the Fishing Gods be with you… and may you never experience the Public Secret Tax. Hahahahaha…

No pain no gain, dont try dont know… muahahahahaha

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Hmmm… sounbds like a plan! Problem is, tak ada capital. [:(]


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Originally posted by afro_d
Hmmm... sounbds like a plan! Problem is, tak ada capital. [:(]


Hahahahaaha, thats what you think, if you really do the math, you will realise that running an angling business if you are targetting the local anglers is actually not lucrative if not un-feasible, unless u stay in the jungle or in a kampung.

If you target foreign tourist with that pricing you will probably be able to make good money, but you will need good fishing grounds, not to mention having to face the wrath of your fellow green-eyed local anglers…

In a nut shell, too much problem and a headache for something that should be fun… IMHO I would rather forget about the whole thing go fishing forget about the hassle and enjoy myself… just a note on CnR… it is an old topic, there will be no solution bec:-

  1. The Govt will never do anything about it… well not in my lifetime anyway.
  2. Most anglers are un-educated in modern fish conservation.
  3. Most anglers are a selfish lot ( I am, and I don’t deny it)
  4. Everyone has their own opinions, and it is hard to find middle groud… everyone has a smart arse answer for everything, and very very good at pushing the blame, not to mention justification for all their answers.. kinda like loyar buruk’s … hahahahahaah… so why bother…

IMHO… just go out and enjoy our hobby… make more time to go fishing… those who want to thar pau (take home fish) go ahead.. those who want to CnR please do so… but good quality fishing days in Malaysia are numbered. So best we clock in our fishing hours, enjoy it while we can, and do what we must… with that… good hunting.. heheheh i mean fishing and may your tomans be more than 6kg and Sebaraus’s be more than 1kg…

No pain no gain, dont try dont know… muahahahahaha

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LS bro, selfishness is a tough one. To be truely selfish in this case means that a person is well educated, well informed and recognises the need for conservation, but decides that, despite all that, sustainable fishing practises are not for them.

We’ve all complained that rules are useless without either proper enforcement or “buy in” from the majority, but for those truely selfish people, stricter rules and regulations are going to be required.

You may be right, it won’t happen in Malaysia anytime soon and even if it does, selfish people will just go ahead and break the law as well. But one step at a time…

I also agree there’s no get rich quick in chartering (even if you target tourists) and I have the accounts and receipts to prove it. But 10+ years of living out my passion. I’d do it all again tomorrow! If there’s any fish around to catch that is.

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It is only take a few selfish bloke to ruin it all. We mengkail fishing only take 1 fish at a time. I doubt that we would deplete any fish population unless if it is during spawning season. Then come a pukat harimau and sapu it all.

Does fish ever retaliate?
http://joran-fishingtips.blogspot.com

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Originally posted by Marlin
LS bro, selfishness is a tough one. To be truely selfish in this case means that a person is well educated, well informed and recognises the need for conservation, but decides that, despite all that, sustainable fishing practises are not for them.

We’ve all complained that rules are useless without either proper enforcement or “buy in” from the majority, but for those truely selfish people, stricter rules and regulations are going to be required.

You may be right, it won’t happen in Malaysia anytime soon and even if it does, selfish people will just go ahead and break the law as well. But one step at a time…

I also agree there’s no get rich quick in chartering (even if you target tourists) and I have the accounts and receipts to prove it. But 10+ years of living out my passion. I’d do it all again tomorrow! If there’s any fish around to catch that is.

CnR is a great topic to discuss but the realisation of it is futile at most.

Education and information is a necessity and enforcement is a definite must.

Unfortunately I dont think it will be a reality in my life time.
That said, it does not deter me from practising it, I have my own set rules for bag limits.

I for one embraces all form of rules that will regulates the fish population, unless it means that I am permanently not allowed to fish at all(see there you go.. I am selfish)

But most importantly fishing has to be fun and I think angler will do whatever that rocks their boat…no matter what is right or wrong.

As for fishing charter services, well if it was something i was to do for a living, no way jose, for one with spare cash and to do it out of passion and love for the act, then it becomes feasible as it is hard to place a $$$ value on passion and love…

The point for my post is to remind anglers to have fun, when all is said and done we do it for the love of the act, be it with motives like money, friends, ego or so on and so forth… we share a common bond and love no matter who or what we are … and that is the love for fishing… I love the act and I have the best time when i am wetting my lines, joking and monkeying around…

No pain no gain, dont try dont know… muahahahahaha

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Here’s one article against Venting of demersal fish in order to C&R
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/ocal/archives/J_F_05_16-19.pdf

Venting are basically a surgical procedure, imagine doing it with
shaky hands and under non-sterile condition and with less than
perfect knowledge of where all the vital organ is.

The “elevator” method looks more promising by getting the fish
to its original depth.

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hey guy i got one cadangan,why not ask our big brother MFN try get one good area for fishing from the government and we make it like Adang.This place must really under control and fishing for catch and r only..