Went to Sea Lion No 3 last Sunday from 6 to 9pm .
Results : Only 1 bite, 0 landed.
I was fishing on the opposite site of the cage under the pondok
My question is :
After the bite, the fish comes towards my direction. Then stop for about 3 secs before going back to the cage’s direction. Waited for the line to tighten, then struck but no hook-up.
The time between the bite and the strike was about 15-20 secs.
Is it because I’ve waited too long to strike? This is not the first time I’ve encountered this situation. The Malay chap next to me said that I’ve should have made the srike much earlier.
But I doubt that’s the way as the fish haven’t ‘swallowed’ the hook yet.
I am using Mustard size 22 hook and I believe the hook did not go into the mouth when then fish swallowed the bait. Is it because of the hook size?
For me size 22 is not that big for fishes in Sea Lion using belanak as live bait.
Any Sifu’s willing to share their ‘timing’ whether to strike or not after the fish has been taken ?
Another thing, I’ve noticed that Sea Lion No 2 is open again for business. Not much people, probably the’ve just re-opened.
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Huh???
Y, zephyr,
I did’nt post anything here also!
You praise me for nothing kah???
I’m just a form3 student and only have 7 years of fishing experience, so must beri tunjuk ajar!
quote:Originally posted by Baraccuda Went to Sea Lion No 3 last Sunday from 6 to 9pm .
Results : Only 1 bite, 0 landed.
I was fishing on the opposite site of the cage under the pondok
My question is :
After the bite, the fish comes towards my direction. Then stop for about 3 secs before going back to the cage’s direction. Waited for the line to tighten, then struck but no hook-up.
The time between the bite and the strike was about 15-20 secs.
Is it because I’ve waited too long to strike? This is not the first time I’ve encountered this situation. The Malay chap next to me said that I’ve should have made the srike much earlier.
But I doubt that’s the way as the fish haven’t ‘swallowed’ the hook yet.
I am using Mustard size 22 hook and I believe the hook did not go into the mouth when then fish swallowed the bait. Is it because of the hook size?
For me size 22 is not that big for fishes in Sea Lion using belanak as live bait.
Any Sifu’s willing to share their ‘timing’ whether to strike or not after the fish has been taken ?
Another thing, I’ve noticed that Sea Lion No 2 is open again for business. Not much people, probably the’ve just re-opened.
yeah, you lose that fish because your timing to strike is not correct
when the fish pull the bait away and suddenly stop, you should just wait 1 sec and then strike immediately, because it is the time when fish is prepared to swallow the bait.
It is only the matter how big is the size of your bait. if your bait fish is big, you wait longer, if your bait fish is smaller, strike earlier.
Baraccuda, retrieve the line in slow motion, after seeing the line is tigthen (becareful during this stage the fish might move), uses hand to pull the line slowly. When the fish senses the bait is “moving”, it will either swallow (most likely) or attempt to tigthen the bite and move (possible). If the fish already taken the bait, the hand movement will trigger the hook which cause pain, and the fish will run real fast. So how do you determine it’s time to strike? When the fish swallowed the bait, the line goes very fast and hard, this is the time to strike! If the fish is playing around (esp Siakap), you feel the line is pull..but not hard, after a strong vibration, strike!!
But at open sea, the strike is usually one shot..this make fishing at open sea a joy of havoc!
barra,
sounds to me, barracuda has encountered the ‘ikan boontek’. these are about 800g fishes that has the ability to bite and pull the bait but cant really swallow the bait whole. Depending on what kinds of fish, ikan merah are more ‘sentimental’ eaters compared to jenahak. if your line is out, strike the bugger, if it takes your bait slowly, retrieve your line and adjust your line till its taut, strike.
i personally prefer the bottom method. just like u, m also tempted to try the floaty thingy, but floating2 no feel larrr… so i stick to the bottom technique.
one day, maybe one day later ill try the floaty… seems lie most the catches in pond no 3 coming from those with floats…
quote:Originally posted by Baraccuda Another thing ....
In Pond 3, I see that there are more pp using the float method compared to bottom .
I just prefer bottom style although I am tempted to try floating later on. Is it because the strike rate is higher compared to the other method?
I believe bottom is good for certain days and float is good on certain days
Which style do u prefer?
you be the judge.
bottom fishing -
Snappers are greedy, but also careful, that is why you lose fish. imagine this. your bait fish is swimming at the bottom and a snapper approach it, aim to your bait fish, and he strike, open his mouth grab the bait fish and run immediately. the reaction on your rod is you can see the rod bend hard. line pull out, but. are you sure the hook is 100% inside its mouth? if not, you strike hard, and what is the result?
float fishing -
same thing happen to your float rig. you see the float suddenly sink into the water, the line is getting straighten. after few seconds, when the snapper feel it is safe, he open its mouth fully and swallow the whole bait fish. and only after that. he sense there is an alien material attached on the juicy bait fish. but, it is too late. you strike, and you can find the hook is in the throat already.
conclusion ; both tatics are good for fishing. only difference is if you are going to C&R the snapper you use bottom fishing. but if your wife reminds you that fish is expensive and she wants it to make dinner for the family, I recommand you the float.
Pocketfreak,
Are you saying that when float fishing, when the fish strikes, let the float sink and strike only when it floats back ?
Usually I see pp strike within 3-5 seconds after the float ‘disappears’ .
But one thing for sure, i see that the hookup rate is higher but the tendancy for the fish to be lost during the fight is also higher compared to bottom.
From my observation, it is because when they strike, due to the resistance of the float, the hook doesnt penetrate much compared to striking when using the bottom fishing.
Maybe by waiting longer before sriking will make sure that the hook is already in the stomach of the fish.
Pocketfreak, do you agree ?
After the explanation of u all ‘sifus’ on the timing to strike when doing bottom fishing, well it works quite well ..
Got a 1.5 kilo siakap and a 2.5 kilo Jenahak on Sunday night at pond 3
quote:Originally posted by Baraccuda Pocketfreak,
Are you saying that when float fishing, when the fish strikes, let the float sink and strike only when it floats back ?
Usually I see pp strike within 3-5 seconds after the float ‘disappears’ .
But one thing for sure, i see that the hookup rate is higher but the tendancy for the fish to be lost during the fight is also higher compared to bottom.
From my observation, it is because when they strike, due to the resistance of the float, the hook doesnt penetrate much compared to striking when using the bottom fishing.
Maybe by waiting longer before sriking will make sure that the hook is already in the stomach of the fish.
Pocketfreak, do you agree ?
After the explanation of u all ‘sifus’ on the timing to strike when doing bottom fishing, well it works quite well ..
Got a 1.5 kilo siakap and a 2.5 kilo Jenahak on Sunday night at pond 3
first, I am not particularly a "SiFu"
to answer your question. here I wanna clear some myth first
I’ve seen many anglers using the egg shape float in pond. it is easiest, and cheapest way. but 100% of these anglers never really care if the sinker attach on the float is match with it.
what do I mean here? imagine your float needs 250 g weight (force) to pull in down the water surface. if you apply a 200 g weight (sinker) it will reduce the necessary weight (force) to just 50 g.
but if you apply a 50 g weight (sinker) it will still need another 200 g weight (force) to pull it down the water surface.
so there is the snapper, arent we saying snapper is greedy but careful? his first attack to your bait fish, cause the float sink into the water, but immediately. he can feel something is wrong cause the bait fish is only few g while he needs 200 g force to pull it down. immediately he “spit” out the bait and you can see your float back to the surface. you reel back and find the bait fish is dead but a no catch.
what I will do is, I do a precise estimation. normally I leave only a bit float floating on the surface. the floating force just enough to keep the float on the surface of the water when the bait fish dive into the deep place. so when the snapper take the bait fish and swim away, it will not feel the “drag” so that it will open mouth and swallow the bait fish without hesitation
This calculation is wrong. The reason for the float to have weight is not to allow it to move too fast. Remember there are 6 motor pumps in that pool, if your float is too light in weight, you spend more time adjusting your line rather than fishing.
Second, it is not necessary for the hook to enter a fish’s stomach before you can strike and successfully pull it back. In fact doing so will kill the fish almost instantly. I have seen a Malay chap pulled up a Kerapu and you guess where is the hook? It was hooked at the lower part of that Kerapu!!
Use of float or bottom actually has to do with the water temperature.
quote:Originally posted by kerapu This calculation is wrong. The reason for the float to have weight is not to allow it to move too fast. Remember there are 6 motor pumps in that pool, if your float is too light in weight, you spend more time adjusting your line rather than fishing.
Second, it is not necessary for the hook to enter a fish’s stomach before you can strike and successfully pull it back. In fact doing so will kill the fish almost instantly. I have seen a Malay chap pulled up a Kerapu and you guess where is the hook? It was hooked at the lower part of that Kerapu!!
Use of float or bottom actually has to do with the water temperature.
Barracuda, where do you usually sit?
I think I had never said you should use light float. what I am saying is to reduce the float force. for the convenience not to spook the fish and make it spit it out.
if you are float user, havent you ever encounter the float sink, you are preparing to strike and then suddenly float comes up, bait fish dead ???
right, it is not necessary for the hook to enter the fish stomach before you can strike and bring it back safely. but have you never encounter a hooked up fish escape from your hook because the hook tip just do not penetrate its mouth?
What I am posting here is to the greenhorn who doubt whether they should use float or not. and I assure them a “sure catch”, of course it is not what a sifu like you would agree. cause I believe you are very well-experienced.
kerapu,
Pond 3,
go in through the main entrance, turn left and at the edge of the pond turn right.
Go straight until u reach the small pondok . I always sit somewhere around there.
I cast towards the cages opposite.
I think you have a idea where i sit..
DO you mean the temperature has to do with the setup used ?
quote:Originally posted by kerapu
I have seen a Malay chap pulled up a Kerapu and you guess where is the hook? It was hooked at the lower part of that Kerapu!!
Kerapu,
I do not think foul hook up is a glory thing to tell. and you might just teaching the greenhorn a wrong way of fishing.
I’ve seen a Malay boy got hit by a rod cause when he is walking pass behind the angler, this fella sense a bite and strike really hard. in fact his rod broken into two piece after it hit on the boy’s face. the boy was slashed and this fella still blamed on the kid.
Foul hook up normally is because some nervous angler can not wait for a clear and positive signal, strike really hard and the hook miss the mouth and hook up on part of the fish body. the fish will fight back with all its strength cause it really hurt a lot.
in my catch of snappers of kerapu in Sealion. 80% is hooked in the mouth, and 20% of them swallow the hook completely. yes, normally they will be dead very fast if they swallow the hook. i put them back to the pond’s fridge and bring it back home after fishing. in fact if the weather is hot, even if the fish do not swallow your hook and just have a small wound in its mouth. it still die very fast when you put your string over its mouth. it is worse if you let a dead fish just hang there because after you go home you can smell it is very fishy already. by the way, if you are preparing to C&R snappers in the paypond. you should keep them alive and the best way to do it is to use barbless hook, and release it immediately.
Pocketfreak,
WIth the price of RM10/hour and bait of rm1/live bait … and the price of snapper of RM15/kg and it is quite tasty (there is no mud smell on the fish),
I wouldn’t practice C&R It would be a crazy thing to do and certainly attract ‘attention’ from you neighbour anglers
You know what i mean
No, I am no ‘meat hunter’ but I am just getting back what I have paid for besides enjoying fishing (sometimes, I wont get even a bite)
Pocketfreak, your calculation is wrong..means WRONG, using your method would only make the float waving too fast to the side, no point. Instead, you should calculate the wave force and decide on the float’s weight. This is even true when fish at open sea for “Ma Yau”. Should you have a chance to go P.Ketam and pay a visit to the fish farm there (where s.lion snapper comes from), you will see that when a snapper wants to eat, there is no reason why it would spit the bait out.
Anyone who fish will certainly experience lost of catch..BUT, the reason vary. The real case I mentioned is to tell the fact that it is NOT necessary to hook right into the fish stomach. The key here is the important of maintaining the hook condition. And I can tell you it is extremely rare where anyone could hook on Kerapu’s body and land it. This also tell one fact that you may have all the theory, best of the best tools..but if your luck is not there, the catch will not land. It is this simple and we should take this as easy as possible..lost of catch make you more eager/interesting to fish, isn’t it? There is no such thing as “sure catch”, maybe in day dream.
I fish for years and I am still learning everyday. As elegant as you are, you don’t need to learn from other.
Baraccuda, yeah, I knew where you sit..great spot, more excitement when you sense the fish is running closer and closer to the water pump near there. Once there is a chinese who hook-on a rather big snapper, it was so powerful that it couldn’t be retrieve easiy, when finally retrieved close to the podok, the fish turn on its “turbo” [:D], it swam straight to the water pump and there goes the line. The fellow lost the fish..lucky not the tools, but everyone was so excited to watch the fight.
I do C&R only when the catch doesn’t fit the plate. There is no secret in fishing, just knowledge over years of experiences. It is very important to learn how temperature affect different species habitate. Good luck man, way to go!!
I think you still dont get what I mean about float.
I was suggesting no matter big or small your float is, try to reduce the floating force so that it will be more sensitive. in case a fish spit off your bait. and the heavier weight on the float will reduce its speed from floating. not to increase it. by the way, the example of calculation is just an example but not a real calculation at all. if you think it does not matter how you adjust your float, maybe you can use the egg float fishing tilapia?
regarding the swallow hook or not issue. sorry to say maybe you dont mind a fish escape, cause you are good at catching another one. but to me and many greenhorns maybe that is the only bite for a whole day and certainly we dont want to lose it.
yes, when a snapper wanna eat it will take the bait without hesitation - in a non-spooky environment. and maybe sea-lion to you is easy. but to be honest, I’ve encounter fishless fishing days in that pond for many times.
in a fish farm? you can just dump a stone into the farm and the fish will grab it immediately but please dont compare it in paypond.
well, thanks to tell me but I am not either elegant or arrogant. I am just sharing my experience. and I am trying to learn more, but the knowledge must be practical, or at least logical. that is why I am so curious to learn from you that “Use of float or bottom actually has to do with the water temperature” knowledge. I would like to learn from you. if you can explain it logically.
It would be a crazy thing to do and certainly attract ‘attention’ from you neighbour anglers