Scorpion dc or daiwa T3

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Originally posted by knht
whatever state of the art DC+ or Magforce brake system ka, innovative technology ka, space age material ka, bring it on. I use this reel can outcast you all !!!!

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Super rare. Power full manual drag system. [:D]

Wow.. The most expensive reel in the world!! Totally handmade.. [:D][:D]

Born to Cast,
Live to Fish,
Force to Work.

comes equipped with special edition ABS brakes-cum-drag … dun play play [:D]

Yayaya.. can stop a rocket as well. Hehehe..

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Force to Work.

lol and is that reel is made by Shimano cycle?..tsk tsk…

Haha.. Can withstand saltwater element, little maintainance means less headache, only 2 moving part, spool (rim) and handle.. LOLXX Do I miss out?? this reel equip with the latest ABS system as well.. LOLXXX.. and combine with traditional rod, this is the ultimate reel.. In fact, only that chap in the photo own it… LOLXXX..

Seriously… Hhahaha[:D][:D][:D]

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Well IMO be it the DC+ or 3D, the truth is they dont add cast distance independently. The reason they are there is to reduce overspooling and this means slow down the roll. The one thing that adds distance is that the angler will be braver to flick the rod stronger in the cast. Its all about how inteligent is your cast control versus the inertia of the spool that makes the distance. In good hands the non DC and non 3D will gets a better distance if casting a mile is used for comparison. Dont flame me ya…just sharing.

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Originally posted by Cruiser
... DC+ or 3D, the truth is they dont add cast distance ... they are there is to reduce overspooling and this means slow down the roll. The one thing that adds distance is that the angler will be braver to flick the rod stronger in the cast. Its all about how inteligent is your cast control versus the inertia of the spool that makes the distance. In good hands the non DC and non 3D will gets a better distance if casting a mile is used for comparison ...

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method of casting, the education of your thumb and the knowledge on ur setup as well as braking of your reel will give u the furthurst distance, not the fancy technology hype

I only have 13 years of fishing experience, so must beri tunjuk ajar!

Supposedly the dc will add distance to your cast by letting the spool go over 30,000 rpm without char kueh teow lol. So it does effect la..

supposedly, theoractically but practically it doesn’t add but reduces distance… i wonder why. have tried casting scorpion 1500 XT side by side with Scorpion DC the result is non-DC further

Cast conquest 200 with Conquest DC200 also same case… sigh…

I only have 13 years of fishing experience, so must beri tunjuk ajar!

quote:
Originally posted by Tan Jiin Sheng
supposedly, theoractically but practically it doesn't add but reduces distance... i wonder why. have tried casting scorpion 1500 XT side by side with Scorpion DC the result is non-DC further

Cast conquest 200 with Conquest DC200 also same case… sigh…

I only have 13 years of fishing experience, so must beri tunjuk ajar!


ya, heard this statement before from my other friends too, not just you. But there are others who swear that they cast 101DC much further than the non dc 101.

Guess to each his own.

Haha, marketeers at work. Well my theory is, pay 20% and gain 80% is better than pay 80% and gain 20% performance.

IMO, theoretically a cast if made with the same torque will yield same initial spool rpm therefore in this case the non DC will eventually excel distance wise due to sustained lure velocity. To achieve 30k spool rpm requires more force exerted on the cast. The initial velocity will be high but it will eventually tapered down as quickly due to the DC kicking in. But on the non DC eventhough it could not achieve 30k spool rpm on the initial torque, will have its velocity tapering doen at a longer interval comparatively. It’s akin to the Hare and the tortise race. Hare sped off faster off the block but fall asleep soon after while the tortise retains its stamina throughout. However I do think that both this system has its uses. Personally I would go with DC for bigger lures since the systematic decrease in velocity will be negligible on heavier lures while micro lures is too sensitive to be held back by the DC system. It is especially so in natural structure environment where accuracy predeceeds full force long cast most of the time. So if its micro lures I wouldnt use DC. Just my limited understanding but needs further testing though. Cheers

firstly, my hat goes off to knht for offering me a chance to cast his t3 last Saturday, and during that limited time I was able to cast the casting plug a good distance compared to my alphas Ito and morrum ivcb, on the longcast setting, even into direct headwind. 20 settings per mode seems very precise albeit a little too much for myself. surprised by the ease of cast with my Style of casting. Point.

Gimmick or not, I think the t-wing and the MF3D works wonders. The built of the reel is good but still doesn’t feel as solid as the alphas or other alloy bodies, somehow a ‘dampened’ feel to it. Not exceptionally smooth, not rough either. I’m not a fan of Zaion at the moment with Daiwas lineup, including the use of it on the saltiga. No point.

The profile of the reel is good in my hands, and fits the way I palm my reels. The handle and knobs are my cup of tea. Point.

Overall, I like the features, and how well it casts. Very versatile reel. For the more discerning angler, it may not be up to par with the Antares/steez/conquest in terms of feel, which I am quick to point my fingers at this Zaion material.

Will the body material hinder anglers from buying it, over the t-wing and magforce 3d? Only time will tell. For me, it’s a no-go at the moment as I have other things to attend to. Now who has a scorpion dc that I can play with? [:D]

Once again, thanks bro for the short test drive. Nice meeting you in person

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Originally posted by FiR3 TiG3R
firstly, my hat goes off to knht for offering me a chance to cast his t3 last Saturday, and during that limited time I was able to cast the casting plug a good distance compared to my alphas Ito and morrum ivcb, on the longcast setting, even into direct headwind. 20 settings per mode seems very precise albeit a little too much for myself. surprised by the ease of cast with my Style of casting. Point.

Gimmick or not, I think the t-wing and the MF3D works wonders. The built of the reel is good but still doesn’t feel as solid as the alphas or other alloy bodies, somehow a ‘dampened’ feel to it. Not exceptionally smooth, not rough either. I’m not a fan of Zaion at the moment with Daiwas lineup, including the use of it on the saltiga. No point.

The profile of the reel is good in my hands, and fits the way I palm my reels. The handle and knobs are my cup of tea. Point.

Overall, I like the features, and how well it casts. Very versatile reel. For the more discerning angler, it may not be up to par with the Antares/steez/conquest in terms of feel, which I am quick to point my fingers at this Zaion material.

Will the body material hinder anglers from buying it, over the t-wing and magforce 3d? Only time will tell. For me, it’s a no-go at the moment as I have other things to attend to. Now who has a scorpion dc that I can play with? [:D]

Once again, thanks bro for the short test drive. Nice meeting you in person


Good summary and dun mention about the test drive. It was nice meeting you too. My apology as I have to rush off early, would love to stay back and listen to the great sharings from you guys.

You also mentioned something when you was casting the T3, that although the cast is smooth, somehow it lacks that refine feel. I;ve the same feel and dunno if it is the Zaion material that caused that feel.

dunno why the feeling of smooooottth as the NESCAFE always come down to SHIMANOs..
hehe…and most of the guys in the bass circuit used SHIMANOS if they’re not sponsored..
wonder why???..

but DAIWAS have their own strenghts…i like both…thanks for the review.

quote:
Originally posted by FiR3 TiG3R
firstly, my hat goes off to knht for offering me a chance to cast his t3 last Saturday, and during that limited time I was able to cast the casting plug a good distance compared to my alphas Ito and morrum ivcb, on the longcast setting, even into direct headwind. 20 settings per mode seems very precise albeit a little too much for myself. surprised by the ease of cast with my Style of casting. Point.

Gimmick or not, I think the t-wing and the MF3D works wonders. The built of the reel is good but still doesn’t feel as solid as the alphas or other alloy bodies, somehow a ‘dampened’ feel to it. Not exceptionally smooth, not rough either. I’m not a fan of Zaion at the moment with Daiwas lineup, including the use of it on the saltiga. No point.

The profile of the reel is good in my hands, and fits the way I palm my reels. The handle and knobs are my cup of tea. Point.

Overall, I like the features, and how well it casts. Very versatile reel. For the more discerning angler, it may not be up to par with the Antares/steez/conquest in terms of feel, which I am quick to point my fingers at this Zaion material.

Will the body material hinder anglers from buying it, over the t-wing and magforce 3d? Only time will tell. For me, it’s a no-go at the moment as I have other things to attend to. Now who has a scorpion dc that I can play with? [:D]

Once again, thanks bro for the short test drive. Nice meeting you in person

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Nice review. As I suspected the T-Wing may be a worthy technology to be looked at.

thanx guys. i’m not alligned to any of the top 3 manufacturers as i use what’s lying around and comfortable to me only, and of course, available to me/within budget.

there are many experienced fishos in here who definitely have their word on any of the reels mentioned here.

liking a reel or disliking another is no sin, but a matter of preference. if ferraris are the best car on earth then why would ppl still buy other makes, right? we have to give consideration into every aspect, as long as it matches our budget, needs and style, we cannot go wrong.

here, i am trying to reach out to u guys for a ‘review’ of reels u have used or come across, and i would like to make them ‘sticky’ for archiving purposes. the reviews may not be alligned to any said format, and are always open for discussion re-reviewed from time to time.

afterall, it it a review for ourselves. to help us decide which reel is best for which application. our money, our choice…

the direction i would want to head to is to correct the mindset of anglers;

  1. such as using high speed ratio for crankbaits is not advisable
  2. not to emphasize gear ratios but look at inches per turn (IPT) or cm/turn
  3. effective drag, low start-up inertia and not solely on manufacturer’s max drag setting etc

and so forth, if you get my drift. not solely rely on manufacturer’s claim and hype, and know what you are paying for a premium over what’s mainstream.

i’m sure the enthusiasts/sifus here such as wusharox, gerard, knht, TJS, nyamaoan and others will be of help with their input on various makes and models. their experiences & their stuffs combined can already open tackle shops [:D]

i will try to review a few stuffs i have soon, hopefully if i can find the time. been slacking & neglecting a bit. apologies. maybe i’ll give the MGX a full rundown after this.

till then, keep the discussions going and happy fishing and tinkering around.

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a few of us did a test a couple of weeks ago. we put the t3 and scorpion dc on the same rod, spooled them with the same line, and cast the same plug.
they both cast equally well and far. but i dun like the feel of both reels. both feel like plastic. haha. [if i wanted a good plastic reel, i’d look for another… er… never mind…]
anyway, both reels didn’t give me the ‘refined’ feel that one would expect from reels in this price range.
we tried about 10 other reels with the same setup, and truth is… they all fall only slightly short of the t3 and scorpion dc’s casting distance.

for now, i think most of us will stick with our cheap reels. :slight_smile:

but personally, if i were forced to choose… i’d go for the scorpion dc, because of the price.