Sea Lion Saltwater Pond

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Hey Ice,

Where’s Kampung Desa Aman? Frankly, I might have been there before but most of the time I just never to bother to find out the name. Probably my mind then was too engross with catching fish only. Say, when you intend to go, maybe I might just be able to join you and learn a few tricks from you as well.

As for my first grouper, here’s my story;

Many moons ago, I was bottom fishing with kembong fillet at Sealion. Actually, I wasn’t targetting any specific fish. At that time, they stock rays in the pond too and mind you, they are hugh. The same day I caught my 1st grouper, an indian guy caught a 20+kg ray and guess what, he won the jackpot of RM5K. Anyway, that’s another story.

Well, my outfit was a bit kiasu then, 30lb braided main and 50lb of 3 feet leader. Cast my bait out again and again and after 2 hours of almost covering every square feet of the pond, nothing, not a single twitch. Then my subsequent cast landed very near the stilts in the middle of the pond. Then I thought of reeling in the line in and cast again, then something bumped my line and I striked. Line was striping out one second and the next suddenly stopped. I thought, “Eh? what this? Line sankut with somebody’s one or what?” So, I slowly reeled in my line but after a few cranks, it got stuck. “Aiyoh, must be sankut on those stilts’lah” I thought. After pulling a few times also cannot loosen it, no choice but the wrapped the line on my body and jerked it off, hoping to straighten the hook as it is not easy to break 30lbs braid and 50lbs leader man! After three turns, instead of pulling it free, I was almost jerked into the pond. Luckily I had only three turns of the braid on me. It was a bit comical then as I was like waltzing and turning around waiving my rod. Anyway, the fish was still hooked and after a short while, managed to bank the fish and it turned out to be a 3kg grouper and an ugly one too.

Like the saying goes, “Don’t judge a book by it’s cover”, this grouper may be damned ugly but taste fantastic man!!! Halleluyah!

" May The Fish</font id=“size3”> Be With You "</font id=“green”>

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Originally posted by starfish
Hey Ice,

Where’s Kampung Desa Aman? Frankly, I might have been there before but most of the time I just never to bother to find out the name. Probably my mind then was too engross with catching fish only. Say, when you intend to go, maybe I might just be able to join you and learn a few tricks from you as well.

As for my first grouper, here’s my story;

Many moons ago, I was bottom fishing with kembong fillet at Sealion. Actually, I wasn’t targetting any specific fish. At that time, they stock rays in the pond too and mind you, they are hugh. The same day I caught my 1st grouper, an indian guy caught a 20+kg ray and guess what, he won the jackpot of RM5K. Anyway, that’s another story.

Well, my outfit was a bit kiasu then, 30lb braided main and 50lb of 3 feet leader. Cast my bait out again and again and after 2 hours of almost covering every square feet of the pond, nothing, not a single twitch. Then my subsequent cast landed very near the stilts in the middle of the pond. Then I thought of reeling in the line in and cast again, then something bumped my line and I striked. Line was striping out one second and the next suddenly stopped. I thought, “Eh? what this? Line sankut with somebody’s one or what?” So, I slowly reeled in my line but after a few cranks, it got stuck. “Aiyoh, must be sankut on those stilts’lah” I thought. After pulling a few times also cannot loosen it, no choice but the wrapped the line on my body and jerked it off, hoping to straighten the hook as it is not easy to break 30lbs braid and 50lbs leader man! After three turns, instead of pulling it free, I was almost jerked into the pond. Luckily I had only three turns of the braid on me. It was a bit comical then as I was like waltzing and turning around waiving my rod. Anyway, the fish was still hooked and after a short while, managed to bank the fish and it turned out to be a 3kg grouper and an ugly one too.

Like the saying goes, “Don’t judge a book by it’s cover”, this grouper may be damned ugly but taste fantastic man!!! Halleluyah!

" May The Fish</font id=“size3”> Be With You "</font id=“green”>

Starfish,

Well The Kampung Desa Aman pond is the one near the HOmelife furniture shop and you have to go through the parking lot and also pass through an underpass and you’ll see the pond in a slight uphill on the right.

Well no problem going fishing with you. But then i tell you first i’m not very good in fishing. Went there last thursday but caught nothing. My other friend empty handed too. And lastly Kelisa9722 caught a 1.5kg senangin. Well the other people somewhat like 10 metres on my left caught about 5 siakaps the period of 3 hours i was there. And guess whats the bait… Lampan. So from that day i learn that lampan is actually a better swimmer compared to belanaks cause or its aggresiveness.

About your story in Sealion. Well that 5k is sure a good deal and can’t imagine a 20 kg stingray in sealion, cause the pond is not that big. hehehe. But i heard from my sifu that if you ever hit a grouper. Just keep the line tight. You’ll feel like what you’ve described “aiyo Sangkut kayu balak la” heheh.. then he said that once he caught it and its like pulling in a bus. You just have to hold the rod stiff and don’t pump. Just let it get tired and eventually float nearer to the bank and yeah i agree that grouper is an ungly looking fish but when its serve on the table you wouldn’t say so after tasting it right?

Sms me your contact will ya and i’ll call you maybe 2 days in advance before i go there. By the way where do you stay?? I live in Pj area SS3. my contact number is 012-2858523.

Anyway its a good story about the grouper. Well lets go fishing together so that we all have stories to write here in this forum.

“The best feeling is when the fish is nibbling till you see the rod curves but not while waiting for it to nibble”

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Ice,

So that’s the place. Oh, been there only last week but just to look around and observe the actions. Even weekdays during the afternoons and evenings really packed especially the left bank where it’s shaded from the sun. I always pull a chair and sit next to the office. Nice view where I can see all the actions from and at the same time enjoy my teh tarik.

From what I know, they have only siakaps and senangins, right?!

They were closed for a mth about 2-3 mths back to clean the pond but they didn’t empty the entire pond. Water still a bit dirty though. The best spot I observed would be about three to four pillars from the sangkar on the right. Saw a malay chap last week pulled up 4 siakaps within one hour using kembong fillets (approx 4pm). You really have to reach down with the landing net as I estimate it to be 3 to 5 feet down.

Ok, I’ll sms you my contact tonight. And btw, I’m ok during the day as night time I’m mostly occupied ferrying my son to tuition classes. Let me know and I’ll try to make it.

" May The Fish</font id=“size3”> Be With You "</font id=“green”>

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Originally posted by Icecube
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Originally posted by Pocketfreak
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Originally posted by RohuSlayer
any advise from the regular angler?? which one is more productive? Hi-Pro or Sealion? what are the best baits to use for different type of fish in these 2 places?

Aku seorang pemancing…
Bukan nelayan

I can not guarantee you which pond have best catches. but can give you some advice.

  1. do not go to either pond during weekend. because the place will be packed like hell. and normall your catch will not be so good.

  2. to Sea Lion, during week days they open at 3:00 pm so you want to be there before 2:30. get yourself ready and normally the actions begins at the first 15-30 minutes. sometimes if you are lucky you can get 3-5 snappers during that 30 minutes. to hi-pro, it is difficult to say when, but a good parameter is when you enter the pond, you can see the keep nets in the pond where they store the fishes and waiting to be released into the pond, and the edge of the keep net is the spot you should not miss, most of the big kerapu were caught here. but the problem is I can assure you that spot is always occupied, 24/7.

the best bait? really it depends. live baits tend to get more fishes. but i once got 5 kerapu using float and kempun fillet. so try both. sometimes, dead prawn meat also works.

Taiwan fishing style !!

Does the moon have any effect of sea fishes. Cause i’ve read somewhere that some say that the fish feeds more during full moon and some says that during full moon the fish won’t feed. So i’m actually confused here.

“The best feeling is when the fish is nibbling till you see the rod curves but not while waiting for it to nibble”

Honestly, I said already it is a myth, cause some people may say full moon is no fishing day, but I did encounter feeding frenzy of senagins in Taiwan on beach fishing.

what I can tell you is full moon means hi tide, produce more oxygen and…to some anglers it is a no no go because the curren in the straight of Mellaca is damn fast that you will need really heavy sinker to fix your rig at the bottom. while some others like Petestop, he does not mind and willing to use heavy weight and he had encounter good catch.

I am not an expert to this but an explanation to that is fast curren produce more oxygen and fish will be more active to bite/hunt around

Taiwan fishing style !!

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oh sorry guys, regarding the kempung thingy on grouper, it is my mistake, I caught 5 fishes that day but only 1 is grouper, it was at the sea lion pond one.

I use float and actually let the bait drift follow the curren. I got the kerapu in the middle of the pond, but the rest 4 are actually snappers.

Taiwan fishing style !!

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did u guys also noticed that fishes are a lot harder to catch at payponds during the night except for groupers?

pocketfreak,what locations do u usually fish for groupers at sealion?I understand that groupers are territorial which means that they don`t wander off that much.

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Icecube, what I see at sea lion pond 3, usually people tend to fish right after the counter for kerapu. They cast only few meter away. Generally speaking, kerapu likes area with shelter. At open sea, if you know you are jigging around kerapu nest, you have no more than 6 seconds to pull the fish away from its nest to no less that 6 meters. You question is true even for snapper at pay pond, because the pond is small, snapper fast moving attribute could easily curl your line to the pontoon structure. To go about it, I suggest you use a stronger line like 40lbs braid, longer lead with anti-abrasion capability. Doing so enable you to pull the fish toward other direction with confident that the line would not break due to opposite force. In this case you want to adjust your drag tension to suit your line capability. If your catch is close to obstacle, technically you want to pump-n-retrieve in a shorter manner, do not hold the rod and enjoy the drag…fish is not stupid and you can be sure it will loose itself sooner or later.

Live sotong is best for kerapu, you buy it at road side (malay stall) along your way to s.lion. There are people tend to cast at sides, next to water pump, water pipe, you guess why are they doing that. Hope this help. [:D]

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Originally posted by kerapu
Icecube, what I see at sea lion pond 3, usually people tend to fish right after the counter for kerapu. They cast only few meter away. Generally speaking, kerapu likes area with shelter. At open sea, if you know you are jigging around kerapu nest, you have no more than 6 seconds to pull the fish away from its nest to no less that 6 meters. You question is true even for snapper at pay pond, because the pond is small, snapper fast moving attribute could easily curl your line to the pontoon structure. To go about it, I suggest you use a stronger line like 40lbs braid, longer lead with anti-abrasion capability. Doing so enable you to pull the fish toward other direction with confident that the line would not break due to opposite force. In this case you want to adjust your drag tension to suit your line capability. If your catch is close to obstacle, technically you want to pump-n-retrieve in a shorter manner, do not hold the rod and enjoy the drag...fish is not stupid and you can be sure it will loose itself sooner or later.

Live sotong is best for kerapu, you buy it at road side (malay stall) along your way to s.lion. There are people tend to cast at sides, next to water pump, water pipe, you guess why are they doing that. Hope this help. [:D]

Kerapu,

Thanks for the tips and info about kerapu’s. Well i personally haven’t fish in pond 3 before. Normally i got to pond 2 to fish. And about using sotong to fish is definately something new for me. I’ve never seen a real live sotong before. But then in the market and also the TV got la. But one thing for sure, your hands will get the ink that is ejaculated from the squid itself right?

I know that Groupers love to hang around shelters and maybe under the pontoon.And i’ll take your advice to use a heavier braided line. Planning to use 30lb mono if possible. Might go shopping for line later.

About why people tend to cast at the sides and also near the waterpump is it because under the water pump there is shelter? And also on the side there is shelter from the shadows from the platform? well i don’t know about that one. Probably you could enlighten me about it.

“The best feeling is when the fish is nibbling till you see the rod curves but not while waiting for it to nibble”

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Ice,

You got my messages (sms) which I sent the day before and today as well?

" May The Fish</font id=“size3”> Be With You "</font id=“green”>

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Originally posted by starfish
Ice,

You got my messages (sms) which I sent the day before and today as well?

" May The Fish</font id=“size3”> Be With You "</font id=“green”>

Hey starfish,

Well i just replied your sms. Well sorry i received your contact but didn’t acknowledge cause no credit. Then i just reply your sms cause today quite busy so no time and didn’t hear the phone beep. sorry.

“The best feeling is when the fish is nibbling till you see the rod curves but not while waiting for it to nibble”

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The pond 3 ownder has another one at K.Selangor, RM40 for first 3 hours, fish is guarentee to be 2KG above. So far, I have not heard anyone I knew landed less than 3KG there. Too bad, very far.

Fine, next time along your way to s.lion, there are malay stall along road side selling belanak/sotong/udang, try stop by and take a look. Also they are selling at much cheaper rate. Normally you hook thru the sotong head. It is easier to do with glove.

MONO line and braid is different, just like at the spec and you will immediately realize.

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Originally posted by kerapu
The pond 3 ownder has another one at K.Selangor, RM40 for first 3 hours, fish is guarentee to be 2KG above. So far, I have not heard anyone I knew landed less than 3KG there. Too bad, very far.

Fine, next time along your way to s.lion, there are malay stall along road side selling belanak/sotong/udang, try stop by and take a look. Also they are selling at much cheaper rate. Normally you hook thru the sotong head. It is easier to do with glove.

MONO line and braid is different, just like at the spec and you will immediately realize.

Wow fishes not less than 3 kg's good news. But its very very far la kuala selangor. Hmm maybe see if really can find that place get some friends to go in a group. But most of them will consider la cause go so far just to fish.

About the malay stalls i do realise that they sell prawns and also belanaks, but i didn’t know that they sell sotongs. Well i think its about RM0.70 for the belanaks where else in sealion they’re selling for RM 1 per belanak/prawn. Actually its quite expensive right.

Anyways will be going fishing in kampung Desa Aman tonight with a friend. See how’s my catches this time as planning to use a different method here that i used in Sealion that caught the fish and snapped.

“The best feeling is when the fish is nibbling till you see the rod curves but not while waiting for it to nibble”

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Frankly, although fish in that pond is big, but not very productive. Guess one of the main reason is fish release to the pond does not match the amount of people fishing there. Same goes to Sea Lion. So far has been there twice only, that was about few months back when the pond started the new rate:

1 Kerapu - 8.9KG
2 Siakap - 4.5KG and 4.1KG
3 Jenak - 3.4KG, 3.3KG and 3.1KG

Total time spent I think is 7 hours. Driving alone took me about 2 hours++ already…[xx(]

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Originally posted by kerapu
Frankly, although fish in that pond is big, but not very productive. Guess one of the main reason is fish release to the pond does not match the amount of people fishing there. Same goes to Sea Lion. So far has been there twice only, that was about few months back when the pond started the new rate:

1 Kerapu - 8.9KG
2 Siakap - 4.5KG and 4.1KG
3 Jenak - 3.4KG, 3.3KG and 3.1KG

Total time spent I think is 7 hours. Driving alone took me about 2 hours++ already…[xx(]

Wow what a good results for your catch. Congrats. Well i can’t imagine a 8.9kg kerapu on the other end of my line. So whats the line poundage you were using at that time??

As for your catches well i think the total time for you to land those fishes is about 45 minutes in total already. Actually for your catches is proven that your skills are there.
So i’m going for salt water fishing tonight. Any tips as they stock in senangins and also Siakaps. Mind me asking what kinda method do you use to catch all these? Live bait / Dead bait? Small fishes or prawns. Hope the tips that you give me will create a better fishing trip for me as i’ve only been fishing in these ponds about 6 times only and only manage to bring home 1 jenahak 1.8kg and siakap 1.5 kg

So what methods you normally use for the fishes you caught? Cast and retrieve, Cast and let your live bait swim around/ just cast out dead bait and waiting for the fish to swim by and get attracted to the baits??

i’m still a newbie in saltwater. So have to learn more here through theory and also practical tonight.

“The best feeling is when the fish is nibbling till you see the rod curves but not while waiting for it to nibble”

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Good result? Not really, average per catch took 1 hour 10 minutes and the rate is RM40 for first 3 hours.

For that Grouper, I used 40LBS PowerPro braid, 80LBS SUFIX anti-abrasion as lead (4 meters), size 5 circle hook, live sotong as bait. Cast to a known point tips by a friend, where the obstacle is placed underwater, slowly retrieve with finger tips.

I always used live bait. How big is the bait actually has to do with the size of your hook. The bigger the hook is, the bigger your bait need to be. For fish under 2KG, size 2~3 hook is more than enough (I am referring to those good brand like Owner). The hook should not exceed 1/3 of your bait size. I seen people using rather small belanak but hook on a hook that almost half the size of it..how the fish gonna swallow? Also note that for circle hook, you cannot strike until the line is really tigthen in a sense that the fish is pulling your rod already.

At pay pond, before you hand-in RM30, you should go one round first, if you are not convince that it is a good day to try, don’t, go home and come another day..don’t think you will be lucky. The reason is not the skill but there is too little fish in the pond. If you have try a spot for an hour with no movement, than you should consider move to another place. You cast and retrieve when you knew where the underwater obstacle is. You cast and wait when you play around pontoon, shelter, water pump, side area. Wait should not exceed 20 minutes.

Good luck dude!

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Amazing…[:0]

http://www.powerpro.com/trophy/trophy_details.asp?PP_TROPHY_ID=87
http://www.powerpro.com/trophy/trophy_details.asp?PP_TROPHY_ID=70

While most hated Red Snapper at pay pond, check this out:

http://www.powerpro.com/trophy/trophy_details.asp?PP_TROPHY_ID=58

Imagine the drag…[:p]

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Originally posted by kerapu
Good result? Not really, average per catch took 1 hour 10 minutes and the rate is RM40 for first 3 hours.

For that Grouper, I used 40LBS PowerPro braid, 80LBS SUFIX anti-abrasion as lead (4 meters), size 5 circle hook, live sotong as bait. Cast to a known point tips by a friend, where the obstacle is placed underwater, slowly retrieve with finger tips.

I always used live bait. How big is the bait actually has to do with the size of your hook. The bigger the hook is, the bigger your bait need to be. For fish under 2KG, size 2~3 hook is more than enough (I am referring to those good brand like Owner). The hook should not exceed 1/3 of your bait size. I seen people using rather small belanak but hook on a hook that almost half the size of it..how the fish gonna swallow? Also note that for circle hook, you cannot strike until the line is really tigthen in a sense that the fish is pulling your rod already.

At pay pond, before you hand-in RM30, you
round first, if you are not convince that it is a good day to try, don’t, go home and come another day..don’t think you will be lucky. The reason is not the skill but there is too little fish in the pond. If you have try a spot for an hour with no movement, than you should consider move to another place. You cast and retrieve when you knew where the underwater obstacle is. You cast and wait when you play around pontoon, shelter, water pump, side area. Wait should not exceed 20 minutes.

Good luck dude!

Well i’m planning on going for 30lb braid setup tonight. Rod will be med action berkly hotrod. As for leader i’ll do a 2 feet 40lb leader cause there is no obstacle at the pond.

As for bait i think i’ll prepare prawns and Lampans tonight plus some dead bait from the market. And then as for hook i’m using mustad hooks not sure about the size cause forgot liow. I think it should be size 6 hooks. Quite small hooks but then i have caught the jenahak and siakap with it before. But this time i’ve sharpened the hook before i go. Hopefully i could land some fishes today.

I’ll take your advice to survey around the area first. But they are releasing 50 siakaps at 8pm today. So there are fishes in the pond but don’t know whether they’re hungry or not only. So you have any specific locations to fish cause i heard that the deepest end is about 25feet and it goes like a swimming pool from shallow to deep. Any tips on what methods to use cause there will be people occupying all the good spots and also will be fishing for hours before they will leave the spot. Heard from pocketfreaks forum that siakaps tend to hand round the bay first.

So I’m planning to use live bait attached to a running sinker then cast about 10 feet to the front and let the live bait do its job to look for SIakaps or senangins.

Planning to use float as an alternative just incase there is too many people casting here and there but one thing leceh if the float drift to other people’s casting path.

“The best feeling is when the fish is nibbling till you see the rod curves but not while waiting for it to nibble”

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Good spot has at least 2 sides - current side and opposite side. When you identified good spot, try to think if you can cast from another side. As long as you stand at least 2~3 persons distance away from other, I think it’s O.K

I don’t have very specific place to fish, just those common spots like we discussed. For Siakap, normally no need to cast far away, about 5~8 meters away with float is enough already. At pay pond, Siakap tend to find food along sides, corner, water pump area. Once they are fed, they will move to deeper area.

Good luck!

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Don’t play-play…

http://www.marlinmag.com/article.jsp?ID=37832

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Originally posted by kerapu
Good spot has at least 2 sides - current side and opposite side. When you identified good spot, try to think if you can cast from another side. As long as you stand at least 2~3 persons distance away from other, I think it's O.K

I don’t have very specific place to fish, just those common spots like we discussed. For Siakap, normally no need to cast far away, about 5~8 meters away with float is enough already. At pay pond, Siakap tend to find food along sides, corner, water pump area. Once they are fed, they will move to deeper area.

Good luck!

Hey Kerapu.

Went fishing there with 3 of my friends but 2 of them never tried saltwater fishing before. So prepared lampans as bait. Then started at 9.20pm. Fished using the fishes. Not much catch as the pond from 9.30pm to about 11.30 no hook ups around the pond. Then hook ups coming up from 11.45 saw about 4 fish landed and then fished a while more until about 12.20 time to go, using my extra 15 minutes as my injury time.
Still no luck. But my first timer friend cast about 8 feet in front of him. But his reel is damaged and the drag is not working. Adviced him about it but he’s a lil stubborn he said he is stronger than the fish. He will fish the fish to the end. Not long then his line is starting to be straightened and he just hold and strike it and guess what happened??

Line Snapped right infront of him and the fish is only about 4 feet away from him. I could see his face full of frustration. Before we fished i adviced him once again not to use the reel but he told me, “sometimes people will not learn until the thing actually happened” and that incident really open his eyes and he said he caught a big fish and easily weighting about 3 kg’s told him that the fish is about 1.5kgs only cause saltwater fish and freshwater fish is different.

Guess some people will only learn it from the hard way. By the way he have never caught any fish in his life before. Wouldn’t blame him for having such a mentality. Will try to bring him to Laguna to have a try there. As a training ground for him.

“The best feeling is when the fish is nibbling till you see the rod curves but not while waiting for it to nibble”